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Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by bryanlarsen on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @07:54AM (#17345723)
"I disagree."

In other words you think that subsidies and senseless bureaucratic obstacles are better than tariffs?

The OP is not saying that tariffs are a good thing, he's saying that tariffs are so obviously bad & stupid that they're easier to get rid of and negotiate away. Subsidies and senseless bureaucratic obstacles are just as damaging as tariffs but they are harder to get rid of.

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by sveme on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:15AM (#17345848)
Regulatory requirements on product safety and environmental standards are not senseless bureaucratic obstacles.
Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by dalbasal on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:49AM (#17347173)
(OP) No, they're not senseless but they are barriers. They can be senseless and they can be designed to be obstacles, a disingenuous way of having obstacles without admitting it. The truth is in the specifics.

One advantage of tariffs is that they let you have product safety and environmental standards that were designed for consumer & environmwntal safety instead of an ulterior motives. The most obvious example is the entirely estranged European & American dairy regulations which started as a way of protecting consumers but are now a way of protecting industries.

My argument is that if you could just admit that an industry is being protected, and have tariffs then we could enjoy eachothers' cheeses (at a higher price). We'd also raise tax revenue and probably have better consumer safety regulations, since they wouldn't have to (disingenuously) make the case that the way cheese is made in Scotland or prosciutto is made in Italy is fundamentally unsafe.

Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by bryanlarsen on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @09:04AM (#17346163)
Which is why I added the adjective "senseless", implying that there are bureaucratic obstacles that aren't senseless.
Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by Brockenstein on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:35AM (#17347034)
Depending on who you're talking to "senseless" isn't as objective a term as you seem to imagine.
Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by bryanlarsen on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:54AM (#17347226)
Of course it's not objective, it's highly subjective. c.f. "ugly cars". Ugly is subjective, but it doesn't mean "all cars are ugly", it's referring to the subset of cars that are ugly.
Re:New US Tariffs are Anti-Maker and Will Encourage Offshoring by gbacon on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @12:13PM (#17347973)
At least the ones that actually improve commensurate with the increased cost product safety or environmental impact rather than protecting the established players aren’t.