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Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by dingaling on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @01:56AM (#17344128)
The chain we had in ${BIGCORP}:

Programmers: read-write to repository

Staging team: read-only on repository, read-write to test servers and staging zone

Deployment team: read-only on repository and staging zone, read-write to production

It wouldn't prevent malicious code going out but at least would require a chain of cooperation between employees, which would be harder to achieve.

Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by kbenson on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @02:35AM (#17344260)
> It wouldn't prevent malicious code going out but at least would require a chain of cooperation between employees, which would be harder to achieve.

No, it just requires a chain of cooperation between authorized accounts. That's a very important distinction, especially here, where the email in question alleged the following:

This included making direct code changes to the Tesla Manufacturing Operating System under false usernames

Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by justinclift on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:22AM (#17345895)
As a data point, in most of the ${BIGCORP}'s I've worked there are also infrastructure roles most people don't see or think about, which have access across wider environments.

* Storage engineers: Generally have access to most storage (all of dev/test/prod) in their group. Sometimes their access is silo'd, sometimes not.

* Backup engineers: Generally have read/write access to _everything_, and all historical versions of it, as backup systems need to be able to do both read/write. Fairly often there are ways for this access to be "unlogged" too, so the actions aren't captured into any system auditing logs (otherwise it can screw things up). I've not (yet) seen access for backup engineers ever be silo-d, but some places might be doing it and I've just never seen it. :)

Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by tomp on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @05:31AM (#17345022)
So the deployment team could write and push malicious code to production?
Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by XorNot on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @07:59AM (#17345749)
They pretty much always can. Sure sure you can imagine some perfect system which would mitigate it but no one - definitely not your bank - is doing that.

It very much sounds like thats the case here - production code was edited, and subsequent auditing has found what should've been deployed and what is deployed differs.

Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by sanderjd on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @10:23AM (#17346914)
Lots of people do work really hard on mitigating this problem. It's a tough and constant battle, but that doesn't mean you have to throw your hands up and not bother working on it. I'm sure you're right that my bank isn't working to mitigate insider threat to the extent I'd like, but Tesla's code is more safety critical than my bank and I think it would be worth their while to work very hard on keeping this from happening with their computer-on-wheels.
Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by cbzoiav on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @04:04AM (#17344602)
Did your staging or deployment team review code?

And what stops a single member of the staging or deployment team patching the build scripts, binaries or just installing their own software to a server?

Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by qaq on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @08:04AM (#17345778)
It would not require any chain of cooperation I highly doubt staging team would catch some coefficient used for particular industrial robot being off by 0.1% in some PR.
Re:Elon Musk emails employees about 'extensive and damaging ... by closeparen on Tuesday June 19, 2018 @11:53AM (#17347798)
You generally can't stop someone with administrative access to production from running something that didn't come from your normal process/VCS.