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Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by coldtea on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:23PM (#17323679)
>From what I have heard in interviews they started with the thought "Doing xxx would be super useful" but didn't have an approach for accomplishing this but instead took in money and tried to figure it out.

So, just like most VC favorite startups?

Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by msbarnett on Friday June 15, 2018 @06:29PM (#17324203)
Sure. That part wasn't even illegal. The early investors were honestly told that Theranos was trying to invent a microfluidics solution.

It crossed over into serious fraud when they stopped taking money to develop an approach, and started taking money on the pretence that they had developed an approach, when in fact they were just lying and performing the tests on commercial equipment they'd quietly bought elsewhere and hacked to use smaller samples (with resulting extremely poor accuracy).

And then they really fucked up when they doubled-down on this fraud by showing FDA inspectors a sham microfluidics lab instead of the actual working lab that just used standard equipment they'd quietly bought through various shells.

Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by dboreham on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:31PM (#17323746)
I've been involved with many vc funded startups and have never encountered a situation where nobody knows how to achieve the core product vision. Nobody knows how to achieve profitability...sure.
Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by maxxxxx on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:43PM (#17323855)
The only one that comes to mind is Magic Leap. They could blow up like Theranos.
Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by puzzle on Friday June 15, 2018 @06:45PM (#17324332)
As a data point, GV decided twice not to invest in Theranos, due to lack of transparency, a peculiar board mix and a sketchy experience in the field. They actually sent someone to a Walgreens.

Later they happily poured lots of millions into Magic Leap.

Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by joejerryronnie on Friday June 15, 2018 @10:47PM (#17325519)
See, even GV can be duped into idiotic investments. Theranos couldn't trick them but Magic Leap sure did!
Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by coldtea on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:59PM (#17323979)
>Nobody knows how to achieve profitability...sure.

Yeah, I was referring to profitability, which, for a for profit company (and one that wants to attract investments), should be part of the core vision, and without which there's no product (just something akin to "selling" $10 bills for $5).

That said, wouldn't all the "pivoting" companies prove that nobody there knew how to achieve their core product vision?

Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by nikanj on Friday June 15, 2018 @05:45PM (#17323866)
UBeam springs to mind.
Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by zaidf on Saturday June 16, 2018 @12:45AM (#17325896)
Keep in mind the actual fraud is NOT saying “we will try to do impossible task X” and failing. The fraud is going to extreme lengths to cook up results to drum up sales and investments.

UBeam might very well flameout but I think if you are evaluating a company for fraud potential, there’s no evidence of UBeam making up complete BS to raise investments. In that case, even if their tech doesn’t pan out, as long as they weren’t massively deceiving investors, it would be a failed startup, not a fraudulent one. They are not the same thing.

Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by madengr on Friday June 15, 2018 @07:29PM (#17324647)
Yes, that’s some bullshit there. Though they are small compared to Theranos, so uBeam will just fizzle out quietly.
Re:U.S. Files Criminal Charges Against Theranos’s Elizabeth ... by zaidf on Saturday June 16, 2018 @12:40AM (#17325884)
Vast majority of VC flameouts don’t put tens of thousands of lives at risk. Theranos had to void blood tests of 76,000 people just in Arizona. If Holmes had her way, that number would be millions.