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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by andbberger on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:03PM (#17313824)
Funny to see this in light of our conversation yesterday [1]

This should be read with extreme skepticism. I have experienced first hand how 'science' is done in the Turaga lab. I have on multiple occasions been pressured to cut corners and do shady things in the name of results.

In light of my experience, I require extra-extraordinary evidence to believe anything coming out of that lab....

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17306673

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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by joe_the_user on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:20PM (#17314549)
Well, also this claim is definitely something that would represent an extraordinary advance. Any detailed correspondence between machine learning neural nets and actual neurology would be quite a step and not something neurologist or machine learning experts expect.
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by paradroid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:41PM (#17314722)
Neurology is the study of disorders of the nervous system. This is theoretical neuroscience. FTFY.
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by andreyk on Thursday June 14, 2018 @08:50PM (#17316644)
Not entirely true, as highlighted by a CVPR 2017 key note talk modeling/comparing neural activations to deep learning activations has been done already so this is not wholly novel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilbbVkIhMgo
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by paradroid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:58PM (#17314378)
It's theoretical neuroscience. If you have philosophical difference write a position paper.
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by andbberger on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:06PM (#17314444)
?? I don't have a philosophical difference. I just don't believe they did their due diligence. Based on my personal experience in the lab where I was constantly pressured to do garbage science in the name of shiny results...
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by stochastic_monk on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:13PM (#17314500)
This sounds a little like a lab I was once part of. I’m now in an entirely different field of research.
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by paradroid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:14PM (#17314509)
That's a philosophical difference. I don't disagree, but given the various constraints involved what you're asking isn't possible. Additionally, I'd note that it sounds like they are practicing Lean methodology - which is justifiable.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-method/#MetPra

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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by c3534l on Friday June 15, 2018 @01:00AM (#17317628)
If I work in a kitchen with unsanitary working practices, does that mean I have a philosophical difference with the restaurant because I don't want to eat their filthy food?
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by paradroid on Wednesday June 20, 2018 @12:45AM (#17352638)
The comparison falls flat in too many ways.
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by andbberger on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:19PM (#17314543)
I'm sorry, what am I asking?
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Re:A Connectome-Based Convolutional Network Model of the Dro... by paradroid on Thursday June 14, 2018 @03:33PM (#17314654)
In your own words, you are asking for 'science'. And if you click the link through to the SEP, you'll see that it's well documented that this is, in the words of Stephen Wolfram, A New Kind of Science.
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