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Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by derefr on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @08:30PM (#17308256)
Is there a name for this phenomenon, where a category is defined so much by "weakened" examples of it (e.g. your average 1/10th programmer, or your average mostly-just-a-library-clerk librarian) that, upon seeing a central example of the category with all the features the category is denotationally supposed to have, it actually seems non-central (i.e. "not really a librarian" or "not really a programmer")?
Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by getoj on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:05PM (#17308430)
I don't think the parent's point is that she's "not really a librarian" but that she's not just a librarian. In the sense that Usain Bolt isn't just a runner. An extremely prominent person in any field is (perhaps counter-intuitively) never going to represent the majority of that field.

In that sense I suppose this phenomenon is called "understatement."

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by derefr on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:06PM (#17308686)
My point was more that, in this case, she is “just a librarian”, because this type of thing is what being a librarian is supposed to mean—it’s just that most people suck at being librarians, kind of cargo-cutting the actions librarians have traditionally taken rather than looking around and trying to embrace the spirit of the goals librarians try to accomplish with the highest ROI possible for a modern context. When “librarian” was invented as a term, it referred to people like this.

The same is true of Dennis Ritchie: he’s just a programmer—because the word “programmer” was originally invented to describe people like Ritchie. But by that same historical standard, most modern “programmers” aren’t; they’re just code-monkeys.

The Usain Bolt example is different—Bolt really is an exceptional runner, rather than being a denotationally-central example of what it means to be a runner. When the word “runner” was invented, it referred to the lesser thing, with plenty of central examples; and by that yard-stick, Bolt is more like a “super-runner” or some such. (Similar to how the word “food” developed to refer to a category where the central examples were nutritionally merely-adequate, so now we’ve had to invent the word “superfood” for foods that are, like, really dang good at being food.)

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by ggg9990 on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:52AM (#17309604)
The word programmer was not invented to describe people who invented an operating system and then invented the canonical programming language for operating systems.
Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by upvotinglurker on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:32AM (#17311963)
> My point was more that, in this case, she is “just a librarian”, because this type of thing is what being a librarian is supposed to mean—it’s just that most people suck at being librarians,

In my experience (working in an academic library and interacting a lot with employees of other academic libraries), most actual present-day academic librarians do not suck at being a librarian. They're not as high-profile as Jessamyn West, but neither are they "computer literate old ladies" -- they use computers constantly in their daily work and are at least aware of issues with digital privacy, copyright law overreaches, etc. I suspect anyone who thinks "computer literate old lady" is still the normative example of a librarian, hasn't interacted with many librarians lately (or perhaps has limited experience e.g. in a small town library).

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by elgenie on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:04PM (#17308426)
LessWrong calls it the "non-central fallacy". [1]

"Martin Luther King Jr was a criminal! Taxation is theft! Capital punishment is murder! Abortion is murder!", etc are examples of that sort of misrepresentation.

[1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yCWPkLi8wJvewPbEp/the-noncen...

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by derefr on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @09:59PM (#17308665)
I think you’re confused. We’re talking more about the kind of thing where there’s a distinction between a “programmer” and a “programmer’s programmer”, where being too much of a programmer (i.e. a “programmer’s programmer”) makes you less like a “programmer.”

The noncentral fallacy is somewhat opposite to that—MLK is certainly not a “criminal’s criminal”—the reason people don’t identify him as a criminal certainly isn’t because he’s too much of a criminal.

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by elgenie on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @10:46PM (#17308871)
It's much the same. Both are exceptional and atypical (non-central) in many attributes but fit the definition.

"MLK is just a criminal!" and "Jeffrey Dahmer is just a criminal!" are both non-central attempts to use extreme outliers.

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by tremon on Thursday June 14, 2018 @05:14AM (#17310410)
No, it's not the same. The MLK equivalent of what's being discussed is introducing him as "Martin Luther King, a minister from Georgia...". It's using a very plain language to introduce someone quite exceptional.
Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by tynpeddler on Thursday June 14, 2018 @11:12AM (#17312281)
The formal definition clears things up a little:

>"X is in a category whose archetypal member gives us a certain emotional reaction. Therefore, we should apply that emotional reaction to X, even though it is not a central category member."

The difference between calling MLK a minister and calling him a criminal is that being a minister isn't as negative. Nonetheless, calling him only a minister does evoke an emotional reaction that doesn't quite capture the power of MLK's role in society. Introducing him as a minister is an example of the non-central fallacy, but it's played for ironic effect.

Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by rhizome on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @11:57PM (#17309171)
Try "dysphemism," while not exact, kind of gets at the preconception angle.
Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by paulie_a on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @08:42PM (#17308319)
Yes, it's called misrepresentation.
Re:Librarian wins surprise judgement against Equifax in smal... by coderdude on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @08:53PM (#17308372)
It's a mixture of misrepresentation and denigration.