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Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by mikestew on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @04:51PM (#17306827)
If they can crack it open with a 12" set of bolt cutters, the question of how well the technology works becomes becomes moot in my book. I mean, nothing is going to stand up to the bolt cutters I keep in my garage, but 12" can fit in a coat pocket.

Okay, fine, I'm just going to use it at the gym and not to secure my Aston Martin in the garden shed. Still, the key is generated from the openly-broadcasted BLE MAC? You know, there is a vast chasm between even the rookie security mistakes and "you should not be writing anything that requires even the smallest amount of security", a vast chasm between "oopsie" and "I didn't even know enough to know that I have to know that".

Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by tjoff on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:33PM (#17307152)
Using bolt cutters is pretty obvious, both during the break in and afterwards. And a serious inconvenience.

A hack will likely be practically impossible to detect afterwards and could even be made to look legitimate. Anyone in that gym locker room will believe I was the owner when I opened your lock and took your phone out.

However, a skilled lock picker will pick most locks very quickly anyway (but it will at least look suspicious).

Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by kevin_thibedeau on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:31PM (#17307140)
Your bolt cutters will chip and shatter when confronted by 16mm hardened chain.
Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by jiveturkey on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @05:44PM (#17307258)
sorry, what's that have to do with the lock in question?
Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by logfromblammo on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @06:12PM (#17307442)
Mikestew claimed that nothing would stand up to the bolt cutters in their garage.

Kivin_thibedeau presumed said bolt cutters do not fill a significant space in said garage with hardened superalloy jaws and hydraulic power system, and speculated on a common-enough material that could defeat any pair of manual bolt cutters that a typical person would be likely to keep in their garage.

Now we just need a security geek to point out that you don't need to cut the chain if you can defeat a weaker link in the security web. Example: lock bike to street sign post with uncuttable chain and uncrackable lock; bike thief unbolts sign, lifts bike and chain off post, and replaces sign.

Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by jandrese on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @06:55PM (#17307716)
Eh, there are two kinds of bike thieves. The first kind show up in a van with half a dozen buddies with a pocket angle grinders and empty out the lot in two minutes. They are extremely rare but there's little defense.

The other kind are crackheads that just grab the bike and yank on it until the chain breaks or the bike does. There's a whole market for expensive bike locks that don't work against the first group and are overkill for the second.

The kind of bike thief that carries a wrench so they can unbolt the stop sign and then puts it back afterward doesn't exist. Plus they have to deal with a bike that still has an awkward bike lock hanging off of it.

Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by HeyLaughingBoy on Thursday June 14, 2018 @02:58PM (#17314368)
The kind of bike thief ... doesn't exist

Not picking on you, I just like telling this story :-)

In the mid 90's a couple I know went to a party on Manhattan's Upper West Side. When they came back to their car (a VW Golf) and opened the doors, wife said "what's all this stuff on the seat?" Then they noticed the stereo was gone.

The thief had broken the little quarter panel window and reached in to open the door. Then he carefully took the dashboard apart, neatly stacking the panel sections and screws on the front passenger seat, until he could remove the stereo and leave.

Besides the breaking of the tiny window, there was absolutely no damage to the car. This guy took his time and did a professional job. Talk about pride in your work :-)

Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by dual_basis on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @08:16PM (#17308187)
Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by beenBoutIT on Thursday June 14, 2018 @01:21AM (#17309494)
I'm amazed the guy didn't bother to put the stop sign back up. http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/20/stop.sign/index.html
Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by logfromblammo on Thursday June 14, 2018 @10:02AM (#17311716)
Yeah, the idea that the thief would put it back was kind of a stretch.
Re:Cracking the Tapplock Smart Lock by Fnoord on Thursday June 14, 2018 @06:19PM (#17315936)
Link doesn't work in EU.