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Re:The Lifespan of a Lie – Why can’t we escape the Stanford ... by wallace_f on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @02:48AM (#17291206)
If we're interested in improving the world -- improving things like human dignity, welfare; and minimizing human suffering -- I think this is one of the most important concepts to understand about human nature.

It's the same concept I try to illustrate by noting the NASA Challenger disaster was not a case of an unknown, but one where groupthink murdered 7 astronauts.[1] The desire people have to conform to authority is extreme.

I can even think of a remarkable personal example from growing up, when a boy in class was given the punishment of having to sit next to an often-bullied girl. The teacher was not above the bullying, he had conformed to it. That must have had a detrimental effect on a young girl's self esteem.

So if we're still murdering, toeturing, and dehumanizing people in order to conform to concepts of authority and hatred, how much have we grown from our past?

Isn't this the same concept that we're supposed to disagree with when it came to the Nazis, North Korea, etc.? That we are free and just society, and we fight to defeat those who aren't?

1-https://mobile.nytimes.com/2003/03/09/weekinreview/the-natio...

Re:The Lifespan of a Lie – Why can’t we escape the Stanford ... by PopePompous on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @08:32AM (#17292617)
I think characterizing the Challenger launch decision as murder is unfair. At worst it was manslaughter.
Re:The Lifespan of a Lie – Why can’t we escape the Stanford ... by wallace_f on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @10:16PM (#17299743)
I believe groupthink killed those astronauts. However, I'm not really focusing this argumemt around the idea of bringing leaders at NASA up on murder charges.