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Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by Tade0 on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:02PM (#17289020)
> 5. Attribute bad intentions.

Me and my SO have serendipitously discovered a great way to defuse arguments: it's the question "Are you accusing me of foulness?" (any sufficiently Victorian synonym works here)

For some reason most people reflexively deny this in reply and realise that they've been attributing bad intentions groundlessly.

Unfortunately this doesn't work on people who have a mindset which requires there to always be someone at fault.

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by tomnipotent on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:56PM (#17289340)
Reminds me of the Principle of charity [1] that "requires interpreting a speaker's statements in the most rational way possible and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation".

I've found adopting this mindset to be one of the most important habits I've picked up, and eliminates so much drama.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by dwcnnnghm on Monday June 11, 2018 @07:22PM (#17289475)
This is also the basis of the Steel Man Argument [0] [1], as opposed to Straw-manning. Instead of attacking (basically nitpicking) the easy missteps in your opponent's reasoning, find the best form of their argument, and then argue with this. It seems to me as the ideal way to both win over those on the other side and provide yourself with a solid ground. You present yourself as avoiding undermining their position (really listening and caring to understand where they are coming from) and present a better argument yourself.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning

[1] https://lifehacker.com/utilize-the-steel-man-tactic-to-argue...

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by pbhjpbhj on Monday June 11, 2018 @09:46PM (#17290122)
The strawman can be stripped down gradually to find the truth.

The steel man locks the truth somewhere inside; and one doesn't look in case ones conversational partner feels offended by being wrong.

Of course you can't tell me I'm wrong; because you have to give my argument the best possible interpretation even if it doesn't deserve it ...!

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by scarejunba on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @12:06PM (#17294641)
I’m not interested in telling you you’re wrong. You being wrong is your problem. I’m interested in my being right. If I can extract some information from our conversation that moves me to a better understanding of things then I have done all right from the interaction (assuming the time involved is short). The steel man allows me to extract this information from the interaction.

In practice, if someone isn’t capable of using the information I provide to re-assess their position, continued interaction is likely to be low quality. This isn’t a fault thing. It could just be that I’m incapable of interacting reasonably with this person. Either way, it’s then time to disengage.

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by shostack on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @12:59AM (#17290804)
Obviously it depends on the circumstance, but not every disagreement is about "winning" the debate. Sometimes the win is in building or saving the relationship.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by taneq on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @01:13AM (#17290859)
Steelmanning is just applying the Least Convenient Possible World principle to debating. If you're picking nonessential nits then you might technically be right but you're probably also dodging the actual interesting questions.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by drtillberg on Monday June 11, 2018 @09:09PM (#17289992)
This is in fact the only way to maintain credibility with both sides when resolving an argument. Unfortunately judges who routinely follow this rule are uncommon.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by Tade0 on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @05:54AM (#17291964)
Huh, I've been unknowingly using the steel man argument in debates about renewable energy etc.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by mundo on Monday June 11, 2018 @07:35PM (#17289538)
Paraphrased as the (oft-ignored) third guideline for HN comments: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by dwcnnnghm on Monday June 11, 2018 @07:25PM (#17289492)
This is great. Another wonderful piece of advice I had read somewhere for similar situations is:

"remember that an argument between you and your partner is you two against the issue rather than against one another"

I think it is a great way to refocus the conversation and work toward a solution.

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by minor3rd on Monday June 11, 2018 @08:40PM (#17289848)
My personal solution to defuse an argument with the wife is to stick out my tongue and say something stupid. Gets a laugh unless I'm REALLY in trouble, and then it's on to plan B.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday June 11, 2018 @10:32PM (#17290270)
> then it's on to plan B.

Run for the hills?

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by voiper1 on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @12:43AM (#17290750)
John Gottman calls that a repair attempt.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by wcarron on Monday June 11, 2018 @08:02PM (#17289675)
My SO and I do something similar. When it (almost never) gets contentious, one of us will just yell: "I Declare Disagreement!" in the same manner that Michael Scott declared bankruptcy on The Office.

Instantly breaks up the tension and we can take a breather before resuming more rationally.

Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by asciimo on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:28PM (#17289174)
Nice hack. Doing this with an upper class British accent could help defuse the situation further.
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by mleonhard on Wednesday June 13, 2018 @04:51PM (#17306828)
One of the main techniques taught in Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication book https://www.amazon.com/dp/189200528X is how to discover each other's intentions and share your own intentions and needs. The techniques I learned from this book helped my relationships immensely. The audio book is also excellent https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TKMBJKE .
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by taneq on Tuesday June 12, 2018 @01:09AM (#17290844)
"Do you allege malfeasance?!" :D
Re:Habits of Highly Miserable People by agumonkey on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:32PM (#17289205)
important point, I very often get angry because I interpret some usual sign as the usual paranoid cause ..