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Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by gaius on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:55AM (#17277683)
The most recent online mob I can think of was started by a guy named Jeremy, attacking a girl for wearing a Chinese dress as "cultural appropriation". He didn't want anonymity; he revelled in being known as the instigator, even giving interviews to the press. So I don't think that anonymity is the real root cause of online mobbing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-43947959

Jeremy by the way is an English name of Biblical origin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_(name)

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by cpmouter on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:23AM (#17277988)
Do we really care about the kind of people who care about "cultural appropriation"? Just don't pay attention to them. http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Just_Don%27t_Look#Lyrics

The same can be said about many, many other "online mobs".

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by blattimwind on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:57AM (#17278120)
> Do we really care about the kind of people who care about "cultural appropriation"?

Yes, because not disagreeing is considered assent. Telling people with stupid ideologies that their ideologies are stupid is not something you want to avoid entirely, at the very least to remind folks that they haven't found the One True Ideology.

Whether the ideology in question is SJWs/ctrl-left or alt-right... doesn't really matter. Neither of those should dominate the public or wield governmental powers. And to avoid precisely that from happening, you speak out against it.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by marcus_holmes on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:37AM (#17278589)
Isn't that just feeding the trolls though?
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by Viliam1234 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:40PM (#17280303)
Coordinating "not feeding trolls" on a large scale is very difficult.

Also, it is difficult to ignore people who can attack you offline. I think these fanatical students (seems to me they are usually students; students are most susceptible to recruitment in all kinds of cults) constitute pretty much zero danger to me... but they can be quite dangerous to their classmates, so if I had children in university age, I would probably worry a lot.

If you told me that when I eat pizza that it is a cultural appropriation, I would just tell you to f.off. But when a student is surrounded by militant classmates, this can lead to bullying. And even worse, when a teacher is a part of some social justice cult. So... not feeding the trolls is sometimes not an option, unless you want to give up on your diploma, and the time and work spent so far studying.

Not feeding trolls also assumes that people are mature enough to recognize who is a troll. But there is a continuum between people who sincerely believe that political correctness is simply the usual politeness applied to politically sensitive topics... and people who throw a hissy fit whenever someone disagrees with their latest pseudoscience. Try to make a line somewhere, and people who are under the line but quite close to it are going to object.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by adventured on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:22AM (#17278510)
People who aggressively support segregation should always be fought, no matter how relatively small their numbers.

If the cultural appropriation people win, they end up promoting an expanded racial and ethnic segregation as a consequence. The mixing, remixing, touching, learning from by experience and adoption of culture is a critical element that works against physical segregation.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by perl4ever on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:09PM (#17278751)
Among the more surreal aspects of UK culture that I am aware of (only because of the Internet) are prejudice against people named "Jeremy", and "gingers" (not that there is any connection between the two).
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by gaius on Sunday June 10, 2018 @01:11PM (#17279016)
I’m not aware of any particular Jeremy prejudice, I just thing it’s strange that a guy with an English/Hebrew name feels entitled to claim exclusive ownership of Chinese culture. Anyone can wear anything or be called anything in my book.
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by weberc2 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:06AM (#17277722)
I’m curious about why this is being downvoted. It seems relevant afaict.
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by zzzcpan on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:30AM (#17277807)
Because taking it seriously and arguing with propaganda only legitimizes it. And I'm pretty sure people didn't come here because they think there might be a legitimate reason to restrict and police people online.
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by yorwba on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:07AM (#17277934)
Huh? I don't read the GP as advocating for restricting anyone online, even less as propaganda. Did they edit their comment?

FWIW, I do support restricting people's ability to communicate online, in particular their ability to spam me. I'm not talking about global censorship, just me personally, and if someone actually likes spam, then they can enjoy it for all I care.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by vntok on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:56AM (#17277892)
Please don't generalise. I do think there are legitimate reasons to restrict and police people online and I'm certainly not alone. Who ever is?
Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by matt4077 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:31AM (#17277808)
One guy willing to attach their name to their mobbing doesn't disprove the almost tautological idea that fewer people would participate in such mobbing if they were all forced to do so with their real identity. That's because right now both that wish to be anonymous and those that don't get to participate, whereas such rules would exclude the former group.

Even the event you mention probably depended on many being able to participate without risk, since one guy alone doesn't make for a very convincing 'mob'.

There are arguments for anonymity online, and I tend to agree that they outweigh the problems. I think it'd be strategically better to focus on these than try to attack the rather intuitive logic at the core of such calls for ending anonymity.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by toyg on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:06AM (#17278162)
> fewer people would participate in such mobbing if they were all forced to do so with their real identity.

I disagree. Mobbing existed before anonymity; in fact, it was very much the norm -- the concept of "honor" is often tied to public displays of condemnation for the "dishonorable". Publicity makes it harder for people to disagree with what is perceived as the opinion of the majority, as unpalatable and uncivilized as it might be. This is why political votes are secret, among others; or why the Gospels explicitly warn against public displays of faith.

Every group of people will have its "dishonorable" enemies, and will always be keen to publicly shame them. Forcing people to attach their public identities to online activity will do nothing to dissuade people who see such actions as a badge of honor, but it will chill the display of dissent from the status quo.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by threeseed on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:13AM (#17278196)
Not sure this is true though.

Mobs existed before because there were so many people that you were effectively an anonymous member of it. Similar to behaviour in protests today.

However removing anonymity today would be difference since everyone could see your name and could get you fired, killed etc. Hence the OP is right that you would see less mobs.

Re:Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK secu... by toyg on Sunday June 10, 2018 @11:58AM (#17278696)
No, the mass dimension is a modern phenomenon. "Mobs" in the past were 20 villagers doing things like burning a witch at the stakes. Everyone knew everyone else, and nobody would speak out for the witch precisely because their identity and reputation would have suffered from it.

Removing anonymity will just reduce the possibility to express a dissenting opinion. This is why authoritarian systems the world over have always loved ID cards and the likes.