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Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by tim333 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:21AM (#17277600)
Say you buy a house for $1m. You then want to move to an identical house in another location and houses now cost $2m. By moving, on a basic capital gains tax calculation you have a profit of $500k and a tax bill of say $200k. But you don't have $200k and can't move. This not a good situation hence various fixes. That particular problem does not come up with income although there are other problems there.

Tax is messy. I'm reminded of the quote from the 1600s "The art of taxation consists in so plucking the goose as to procure the largest quantity of feathers with the least possible amount of hissing." The above problem causes hissing.

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by phkahler on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:44AM (#17277848)
So provide an exemption for primary residences. There is a similar concern with stock sales causing tax payment, but in that case it's an incentive for longer term investment. You goose quote is really awesome.

On a related note, I think we need to stop providing incentives for housing prices to go up. Municipalities could put caps on the percentage of value they'll enforce a lean on. This would reduce housing costs to the benefit of people at the bottom.

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by bzbarsky on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:46PM (#17280594)
This is a problem for all assets, not just primary residences.

> I think we need to stop providing incentives for housing prices to go up.

While true, the main such incentive historically is inflation: housing prices have been growing at about the rate of inflation in the long run, averaged over the US.

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by sjwright on Monday June 11, 2018 @02:06AM (#17282168)
Ideally, capital gains tax should be charged on gains above the rate of inflation.
Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by bzbarsky on Monday June 11, 2018 @02:38AM (#17282270)
So that still assumes that saving is risk-free (maybe) and the discount rate people apply to consumption is 0, right? The latter just doesn't match reality.

But it would definitely be a step up from where we are now, in theory. In practice, measuring inflation is an interesting exercise; there are multiple measures that differ quite a bit once your timescale is "decades" as it can easily be for savings and housing. And yrs, I know I said "the rate of inflation" -- I forget which measure those studies used. For housing specifically, one could use whichever inflation measure best matched housing prices in the past, I guess...

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by sumedh on Monday June 11, 2018 @01:22AM (#17282013)
> But you don't have $200k and can't move. This not a good situation hence various fixes.

So dont move or move when you can afford to pay the tax.

Why did the value of the neighbourhood increase, its because society aka the police keeping the area safe, the people who maintain all the infrastructure/roads etc, who is going to pay for all that?

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by closeparen on Monday June 11, 2018 @02:08AM (#17282176)
"Don't move" is terrible public policy. For one thing, people change jobs. Two families that end up living and working on opposite sides of town should be able to swap houses to keep the commutes sane. When they can't, congestion gets worse, and energy and infrastructure demands grow. Or worse, people stay in suboptimal jobs due to the difficulty of moving, suppressing productivity. Empty nesters hoard the family-sized houses, making things impossible for young couples. Etc, etc.

>move when you can afford to pay the tax

Why could they afford to pay the tax? Their income hasn't changed.

>Why did the value of the neighbourhood increase

Usually this kind of meteoric rise in property value happens due to changes in demand, i.e. your city suddenly becomes a tech employment center, or the fashion suddenly shifts from suburban to urban.

>its because society aka the police keeping the area safe, the people who maintain all the infrastructure/roads etc,

Nope. Typically all those things were there when you bought in, so would not explain the delta between your previous and current home value. And if the quality of your local institutions got 2x better during your stay, it's likely you had a hand in building them.

>who is going to pay for all that?

Excuse me, what? No place in America has capital gains tax on primary residences; do you imagine that we don't have police or roads? We'll pay for it like we've always paid for it: a combination of property taxes, user fees, and state income taxes remitted to the municipalities.

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by sumedh on Monday June 11, 2018 @03:46AM (#17282518)
Do you have any data which gives the number of people who swap houses to keep the commutes sane?

Long commutes can be reduced if you have a good public transport which again depends on tax.

> Usually this kind of meteoric rise in property value happens due to changes in demand,

which brings us back to the same points which I raised, its because of the society the demand rises, demand is not going to increase in high crime, poor infrastructure area.

> Excuse me, what?

What part did you not understand?

Re:Taxation of Carried Interest by lotsofpulp on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:51AM (#17277867)
How is the $500k profit calculated?