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Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by onion2k on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:44AM (#17277206)
The point people are making about using GitHub profiles for hiring is that it ignores great developers who don't write code outside of their job (that might be due to other interests, family responsibilities, a second job, whatever). The fact this guy is in a position to write code in his spare time just means he's not in that group, and the fact his open source work on Github specifically landed him a job he wanted kind of proves the point people are making.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by underwater on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:51AM (#17277539)
I don’t code much in my spare time. I have kids and a busy home life, but really it doesn’t take long to build up a portfolio of work that is representative of your skills.

Sharing my work got me, as an Aussie working mediocre jobs, on the right person’s radar to help me land a job at Facebook. This shaved probably 10 years off my career path. That was a great return on investment and a big leveller for someone who didn’t study at a brand name US college and have an obvious path to the door of a major tech company.

I’m now in a position to hire others. I certainly don’t mind if someone doesn’t have open source code shared. It clearly not a priority for many people. But I do appreciate when people do have a good backlog of work to show as it can give a seemingly lacklustre candidate a second opportunity to shine.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by vonmoltke on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:40PM (#17279531)
> I have kids and a busy home life, but really it doesn’t take long to build up a portfolio of work that is representative of your skills.

There are two critical assumptions you are making here:

1) The kind of development you do is conducive to sharing via small projects on GitHub. The first four years of my full-time programing career I was working on firm real-time signal processing algorithms designed to run on an MPI cluster of POWER or Xeon machines. My skills were focused on low-level optimizations for that environment and hardware, design and implementation of grid-distributed algorithms, and understanding how to translate radar concepts and mathematical models into code. Anything along these lines that I could have thrown together for GitHub (had it existed back then) would ave been trivial and not really demonstrated anything.

2) Everyone operates under a regime wherein they do not need permission from their current employer to release things on the side. Needing to do so adds work and can be a real impediment to even wanting to put things out for public consumption.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by underwater on Monday June 11, 2018 @04:55AM (#17282807)
You’re right. I’ve worked in the frontend space for a long time, which lends itself nicely to the GitHub model.

I don’t see why you’d bother trying to force your work into that model. If it’s not common in your industry then there is no one to compete against in GitHub stakes. Sounds like publishing a paper or being awarded a patent would have the same Effect of signalling that you’re good at what you do.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by willbw on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:59AM (#17277561)
As an Aussie with a similar background - what sort of work were you sharing that got you on someone's radar? Your own projects or contributions to someone else's?
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by underwater on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:27AM (#17277794)
This was pre-GitHub. I shared a resource for frontend developers that went viral. If I wanted to get noticed today I’d be writing libraries around something like React or I would pick a less well known project from a big company and start helping out.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by willbw on Sunday June 10, 2018 @08:56AM (#17277885)
Cheers!
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by vezycash on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:59AM (#17277249)
I think a good way to end the debate on Github profiles is this:

Github profiles are advertisement for programmers.

Advertising requires resources - time, money, creativity and commitment and not every business is ready to pay to price. Sometimes advertising pays off, some times it doesn't.

No police arrests a business owner for not advertising. Same with github profiles. Decide to have one, contribute a little, much or nothing at all. It's a matter of preference.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amelius on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:41AM (#17277507)
Designers have portfolios. Would you do them away as "advertisements" as well? They are much more than that, e.g. they show the skills of the designer.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by rueynshard on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:40AM (#17278315)
The key difference is that designers are free to show the work they've done in their current jobs or internships. Programmers usually aren't at liberty to do the same.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by reitanqild on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:50AM (#17277536)
If I read correctly the idea is not to do away with repos but rather not using that as the single signal.

Just like you shouldn't exclude any companies just because they don't advertise.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by onion2k on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:07AM (#17277574)
A lot of designers don't have portfolios.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amasad on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:00AM (#17277252)
So I mentioned, multiple times, that you shouldn't exclude people that don't have a Github profile. All I'm saying is that if you're underprivileged you have this awesome tool, use it.

And no I didn't have a lot of free time. I was working and going to school but when you're young you frankly don't need a whole lot of sleep.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by onion2k on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:14AM (#17277289)
when you're young you frankly don't need a whole lot of sleep

You do if you have health issues, or mental health issues, or kids (some young people have them), or a long commute, or a second job, or if you're not young...

It's hard to recognize privilege when you have it.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amasad on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:26AM (#17277318)
I can't tailor my advice to everyone possible ever. I'd wager there are many many underprivileged kids who have a lot of energy and some free time and my advice goes to them.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by jakobegger on Sunday June 10, 2018 @10:30AM (#17278276)
Maybe we should stop complaining about privilege and call it opportunity?

If you happen to have rich parents who pay for the best college, that's an awesome opportunity. Nobody should have to feel bad about taking it!

If you are poor, but happen to have a lot of spare time, that's also an opportunity.

Complaining about privilege is not actionable. Focussing on opportunities is a lot more constructive: We can look for ways to give someone an opportunity!

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by onion2k on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:54PM (#17278940)
Complaining about privilege is not actionable.

It is actionable though. People can make hiring decisions on a candidates work rather than what they do in the spare time, just as they do in every other industry besides tech.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by mverwijs on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:08AM (#17277269)
It is the open Internet that levelled the playing field.

Of which Github and Open Source are but subsets.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amasad on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:10AM (#17277280)
Agreed. However, it was GitHub and not, for example, sourceforge that lowered the barrier to entry for open-source.

The open internet is the substrate on which innovation runs.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by BTeam on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:36AM (#17277344)
Libre software and the open source spirit existed long before Internet. Sure, It was really hard to find projects and contribute to them, but we can do it since the dawn of computer science.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by wool_gather on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:02AM (#17277911)
> Sure, It was really hard to find projects and contribute to them

They also weren't as visible and easily browsable.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by gaius on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:35AM (#17277339)
when you're young you frankly don't need a whole lot of sleep

So, you are perpetuating ageism then. Let’s see how cocky you are in 10, 20, 30 years when you can’t get a job because of all the bloggers crowing about their Github profiles...

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amasad on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:41AM (#17277352)
Since I'm talking about programming I'm also perpetuating ableism because you need to have functioning hands and eyes. I'm also perpetuating alivism because you need to be not dead.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by icebraining on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:57AM (#17277396)
you need to have functioning hands and eyes.

That's not actually the case! Blind programmers are not rare, and as for the other: https://venturebeat.com/2014/10/01/max-strzelecki-warlocks/

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by amasad on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:58AM (#17277402)
That's inspiring. Thanks for sharing!
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by miki123211 on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:34AM (#17277638)
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by watwut on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:30AM (#17277484)
Oldée currently full time emplyed programmers can perform programming work. They typically dont have github profile. Which is where your comparison fails.

You don't need to be young to code profesionally nor you need free time. Good job allows you to learn on the job. You need eyes and hands.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by vkbandi on Monday June 11, 2018 @06:42AM (#17283193)
Some companies does not allow employees to write code outside of work, I work in a 50+ Billion company, whose policies clearly state that, you can be fired for writing code even in your free time. We even have a "training" to clear any misunderstandings, It has been conveyed explicitly with past examples of people getting fired.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by sintaxi on Sunday June 10, 2018 @04:53AM (#17277228)
Privilege is what is UNEARNED and there is no way to qualify if those with open source contributions are more privileged than others. The very opposite could be true. The privileged can bounce from well paying job to the next with no OSS contributions while the underprivileged have to "show their value" in the harsh environment of open source.

You're constructing the viewpoint you want others to see with no data or facts to back it up.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by onion2k on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:03AM (#17277261)
I'm saying that being in a position to have spare time to work on open source is a sign of privilege, and that employers should recognize that when they're hiring. Some great developers work on open source projects, but equally some great developers don't. Open source contributions are not a useful filter.
Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by blattimwind on Sunday June 10, 2018 @06:21AM (#17277462)
> Open source contributions are not a useful filter.

OSS activity is a useful low-effort implicator. As usual for implications, denying the antecedent remains a fallacy.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by sintaxi on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:22AM (#17277308)
> I'm saying that being in a position to have spare time to work on open source is a sign of privilege

That is an assumption made without evidence. An equally qualified assumption would be that its a sign of privilege to not need to contribute to open source. You get an awesome education and go straight into well paying entry level position.

Committing to open source is not something casually done at ones leisure. Anything with traction becomes a significant responsibility and it takes an incredible amount of discipline and sacrifice to stay committed.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by rectang on Sunday June 10, 2018 @07:11AM (#17277582)
People who have the time to contribute to open source possess a privilege when compared people who do not have the time. It may also be the case that there are other privileges at work, and that if you have two people they both have privileges over each other in different ways.

I think it's better to consider privilege as multifaceted rather than a single global quantity. And in that case, I don't see such a strong disagreement between you and the comment you're replying to.

I very much agree with your second paragraph.

Re:GitHub and Open-Source Is a Boon for the Underprivileged by watwut on Sunday June 10, 2018 @05:08AM (#17277274)
The world of open source is alternatively great place full of great people where any bad experience is suspect and alternatively harsh environment. Depending of what political point people want to make.

Or maybe there are both friendly and unfriendly projects and a lot depends on where the underprivileged is trying to make it.