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Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by buvanshak on Friday June 08, 2018 @10:32PM (#17271200)
Is there any concern regarding the damage these frequent and big rocket launches are doing to the upper atmosphere? Are people aware of such a thing? Because I have seen very few discussion around the same....
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Saturday June 09, 2018 @12:28AM (#17271540)
It's a matter of scale. There's about two launches per week /globally/. But for a single airport, you might have a flight every two minutes.

There is some concern from solid rocket motors, whose exhaust is absolutely terrible environmentally (big clouds of toxic smoke that erode launch infrastructure, etc). Luckily, SpaceX doesn't use any of those.

Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by buvanshak on Saturday June 09, 2018 @02:22AM (#17271807)
I am not sure. Why are you mentioning flights? I am talking about this [1] and [2]. It does not have anything to do with regular planes..

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/03/spacex-launch-last-y...

[2] https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/25/spacex-rocket-carved-gia...

Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Arnt on Saturday June 09, 2018 @04:50AM (#17272144)
He's trying to say that rockets emit CO₂, but there are very few of them compared to other things that also emit CO₂ at high altitudes, namely airplanes. He's also saying that some rockets have significant other pollution problems, but not SpaceX's.
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Saturday June 09, 2018 @01:07PM (#17273890)
Indeed. And there may come a time when such emissions are enough to matter, but we should then just apply a proper tax to them (as well as airplanes). That’d encourage using alternatives (like hydrogen which is actually a superior rocket fuel from an exhaust velocity perspective but is harder to handle and leads to greater dry mass) and also provide incentive to pull such emissions from the atmosphere. Elon Musk has advocated such a broad carbon tax, including on SpaceX’s rockets (which use kerosene and eventually methane).
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Saturday June 09, 2018 @01:03PM (#17273876)
There’s no evidence that the impact on the extremely low density part of the atmosphere makes any kind of environmental problem except perhaps for sensitive radio wave measurements (ie GPS, whose satellites are also launched on rockets).
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by buvanshak on Saturday June 09, 2018 @10:02PM (#17276028)
>There’s no evidence that the impact on the extremely low density part of the atmosphere makes any kind of environmental problem

That is what people thought about automobiles emitting co2. If we have learned anything, we would be extremely wary of anything that causes big disruptions in the environments, how ever innocent it might seem...

Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Sunday June 10, 2018 @12:41AM (#17276567)
That’s not true. We knew about the warming effect of CO2 since 1897 or earlier and over 100 years ago, we knew that continual burning of coal and other fossil fuels would cause considerable warming.
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by buvanshak on Sunday June 10, 2018 @02:20AM (#17276872)
>we knew that continual burning of coal and other fossil fuels would cause considerable warming.

Wrong. We didn't know that. We hoped the co2 will be cleaned up by the mechanisms already in place, and we thought the effect would only be temporary. Just like we think the holes caused by the rockets are temporary now, and will not have any cascading effects.

Incredibly short sighted and We have learned nothing from history if we continue to reason like this.

Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Sunday June 10, 2018 @09:02AM (#17277912)
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Gabrielfair on Saturday June 09, 2018 @12:22AM (#17271525)
I am also curious about this. Can you imagine trying to curb launches by private companies? Not going to happen especially in today's politics dominated by libertarian populism
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by Robotbeat on Saturday June 09, 2018 @12:29AM (#17271543)
It'd be easy, actually. Getting a launch permit requires mountains of paperwork.
Re:SpaceX Plans Facility Expansion at Kennedy Space Center by jonknee on Saturday June 09, 2018 @03:46AM (#17272000)
In the US, but there are plenty of countries near the equater that would be happy to take the business. Export controls would make it tough for SpaceX, but if there wasn’t another way to launch the demand would lead to foreign companies taking the lead.

tl;dr it won’t happen