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Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by adventured on Friday June 08, 2018 @12:26PM (#17266997)
During the second half of the Clinton Admin, there was an extreme stock market bubble, which began to crash at the end of his second term.

Bush inherited a guaranteed recession, and then 9/11 occurred on top of that context.

Which then led the Fed to make stupid mistakes on interest rates, which helped spur immense asset inflation in the real estate sector, which then collapsed, which led to the great recession, which got Obama elected with a Dem super majority to go with it, which delivered the ACA.

Then the Fed lowered interest rates to basically zero, or below zero when QE is considered, for the better part of a decade to combat the great recession, which spurred / enabled extreme corporate debt binging, extreme government debt binging, and re-inflated both the stock market and real estate asset bubbles. The debasement of the dollar due to the Fed's abusive interest rate policies during the ~2001-2004 period also dramatically spiked both healthcare costs and college costs, while eroding US purchasing power and the US standard of living (represented by the simultaneous global skyrocketing of GDP in all other nations, as well as being represented in the epic commodity bubble (commodities are mostly priced in dollars)).

Now we're waiting for the fallout from another round of idiotic Fed policies.

All in the name of initially trying to avoid or skate around a rather mild recession in the GW Bush first term - because no politician can tolerate a recession these days - the assholes at the Fed delivered more than a decade of immense suffering with more to come.

Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by nickik on Friday June 08, 2018 @01:20PM (#17267649)
The part about 2001-2004 is pretty hard to believe. Inflation was maybe high and I do think some housing debt came from that but there is absolutely no way all the effect you claim can be explained by the monetary policy of that time.

However in 2008-2009 the Fed policy was actually extremely tight. The recession of 2008 can not be explained by the monetary policy of 2001-2006. It simply does not add up. And even people who argue for the Austrian Theory (i.e. unsustainable investment boom in long term investments).

If monetary policy was to easy, then there is simply no way to explain nominal income. How can you explain this with 'Fed was to easy':

https://oregoneconomicanalysis.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/n...

The people who developed the Austrian cycle theory actually called this 'secondary deflation'. A static central bank policy can be inflationary or deflationary depending on the outside of the economy. Or more technically the stance on monetary policy depends on the Fed target rate relative to the natural rate.

What happened in 2008 is that the natural rate fell bellow the Fed rate and Fed policy became deflationary. They did not notice this because they observed false signals from high oil prices, you can read that in the documents from their late 2008 meeting. In the middle of a NGDP collapse they were talking about high inflation expectation, pretty insane.

The story of successive Fed created bubbles simply does not hold up.

Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by creaghpatr on Friday June 08, 2018 @01:00PM (#17267395)
100% agree, I'd put the blame on the Fed before Trump, Obama, Bush, or Clinton. If I had to choose it would be Bush for being president when TARP was passed but really the blame there falls on the Congress.
Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by maxxxxx on Friday June 08, 2018 @01:03PM (#17267430)
You are probably right but people tend to give credit to presidents when things go well so they also should get the blame. Justified or unjustified.
Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by mywittyname on Friday June 08, 2018 @03:05PM (#17268692)
TARP would have been signed by Obama (or McCain).

The fact that the US has enjoyed a economic boom post 2008, while the rest of the world struggled for several more years (especially Europe), can be considered evidence that it was the correct action to take at the time. The current expansion is the second longest in modern history.

Re:Bernanke Says U.S. Economy Faces a ‘Wile E. Coyote’ Momen... by mhneu on Saturday June 09, 2018 @07:54AM (#17272580)
Yup. This was an incredibly consequential decision in the US to use stimulus. And it validates the idea that Keynesian stimulus has value.

(And it’s useful to go back in 2008-2011 and see what different economists were saying about stimulus and inflation. There was a big partisan divide.)