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Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by sudosteph on Thursday June 07, 2018 @06:23PM (#17260866)
One of the most interesting materials I was exposed to in a college french course was actually an 8th-grade level French history book. It was beautifully illustrated, not all that difficult to read, and it spanned an impressive amount of time and material (at least compared to the US history books I had been exposed to before)

I was really surprised to see a whole chapter dedicated to Ancient Gaul, a place I had never even heard of until then. Brits may begin their history with Rome, but us Americans seem to start our tale in England (with perhaps a very small nod to the native cultures that predated English colonization). Anyhow, it's fascinating from the American perspective how relatively "young" we really are as a national identity.

Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by forinti on Thursday June 07, 2018 @07:11PM (#17261190)
So you've never read Asterix. You're in for a treat.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by sametmax on Friday June 08, 2018 @01:38AM (#17262872)
Although I wonder how they translate the never ending puns in English.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by cannam on Friday June 08, 2018 @04:00AM (#17263490)
Very effectively. The English versions are celebrated almost as much for the translations by Anthea Bell and Derek Hockridge as for everything else. Puns are translated quite freely; in many places they make up new ones. See e.g. https://auntymuriel.com/2012/12/23/asterix-in-translation-th...
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by sametmax on Friday June 08, 2018 @06:51AM (#17264178)
That's a hell of a good work, and that shows they deeply cared about the result.

I recall a line from "The 5th Element" movie:

- Are you classified as human ?

- Negative, I'm a meat popsicle

Well, not only Bruce Willis has a killer french voice actor, but they translated it to:

- Êtes-vous classifié comme humain ?

- Négatif, je suis un mite en pull-over

"Négatif, je suis un mite en pull-over" means "Negative, I'm a moth in a sweater". Which is nowhere close to the original, but equally funny and nonsensical, and matches the lips movement perfectly.

Now I just resolved myself to go to see a non french movie at the theater only if it's the original version. Dubbing became so bad, it's like they use the same 10 voice actors for all the movies, and the writers are bored junior interns.

Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by ealhad on Friday June 08, 2018 @04:50AM (#17263678)
Wow. The translations are impressive indeed, I didn't expect that.

That reminds me of the French traduction of Discworld, an amazing work by Patrick Couton.

Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by barry-cotter on Friday June 08, 2018 @04:56AM (#17263704)
Traduction is translation in English, one of the three faux amies with -ion at end.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by ealhad on Friday June 08, 2018 @07:59AM (#17264441)
That was me not paying attention. Though if you look closely, I got it right the first time ;)
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by pgeorgi on Friday June 08, 2018 @03:38AM (#17263393)
Apparently puns can be translated rather freely (to match the cultural context of the target language), but they need to be translated back, explained and authorized.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by UweSchmidt on Thursday June 07, 2018 @07:00PM (#17261130)
Wait, you start in Rome or England?? History lessons in western society better start in Ancient Greece, don't you think?
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by nickthemagicman on Thursday June 07, 2018 @07:03PM (#17261155)
I think he means American History vs French history. World History is going to world history no matter where you take it.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by xugo on Friday June 08, 2018 @05:07AM (#17263757)
I was trying to remember my history lessons that I had growing up in France and for those interested, I find a nice link with lots of PDF for primary school : http://www.academie-en-ligne.fr/Ecole/Ressources.aspx?PREFIX...
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by bingoboingo33 on Thursday June 07, 2018 @08:44PM (#17261659)
>World History is going to world history no matter where you take it

I'm afraid you are very much mistaken here. Having had the chance to look at primary school history book in four different countries (FR, DE, JP, US), written in four different languages, they each tell a vastly different tale.

Which doesn't mean they were necessarily contradicting each other, but rather spoke of entirely different things, or shone a completely different light on a particular event.

To give two simplistic examples, try to compare what is taught about Napoleon in French history book (he's a national hero) vs. German ones (he's depicted as the Hitler of his time). And try to go read about the history of WWII in a Japanese history book, you'll be amazed.

Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by jgtrosh on Friday June 08, 2018 @03:58AM (#17263481)
I agree with you, but at the same time feel the need to point out you disregard the previous comment's distinction of national v world histories. It does seem a bit spurious since school classes of history are mostly about creating an outlook of a country onto their relationship with themselves and others.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by UweSchmidt on Friday June 08, 2018 @05:23AM (#17263826)
My point was that some history is more important than other. Ancient Greece lays the foundation of citizenship, democracy and lots of arts and culture important today.
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by nyolfen on Thursday June 07, 2018 @08:12PM (#17261505)
was it braudel’s history of civilizations?
Re:Passé présomptif: on Vercingetorix by sudosteph on Friday June 08, 2018 @04:54PM (#17269600)