Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sourcing Product

Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by tzs on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:31PM (#17248537)

I think that what irks a lot of people is that Oracle has almost 300 open positions in the US for Java developers.

Why lay off experienced developers instead of moving them to currently unfilled positions?

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by prepend on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:46PM (#17248700)

I was having coffee in a co-working space last weekend and for whatever reason some company had posted their application to host an H1B visa. As part the application they said they were unable to hire a local senior Java programmer at the prevailing wage of 79,850 and they were going to pay this person 80,000.

I don’t take much value or meaning from open vague postings at large companies.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by wccrawford on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:20PM (#17249046)

Do we know that they didn't offer to move them and just fired them? Or are we just assuming?

Edit: Keep in mind that not everyone would get that offer, so a couple people not getting the offer doesn't mean that nobody got it.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by kodablah on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:43PM (#17248671)

Meh, lateral movement in large companies is something we can scoff at across the spectrum. The compartmentalization of these large companies coupled with their insistence on in-office employees is surely a problem, it just didn't feel like that's where the hate was directed. Often in the case of layoffs by non-troubled companies, there are many valid "but [...], but [...], but [...]" arguments. I'm not sure there is much value in concerted anger at this one.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by tudelo on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:41PM (#17248650)

I wonder if they are actually filling those roles?

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by Twirrim on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @02:28PM (#17249689)

Can't speak for other parts of the org, but Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is growing fast. Most teams have a target to double+ staffing within 6 months, and from what I've seen, they're roughly succeeding with their goals.

I don't know that Oracle specifically works to transfer staff around (not been in a situation to know). The job boards _are_ open and available internally, and some of the OCI growth is happening via internal transfers. People from across the company are specifically reaching out to hiring managers.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by makr17 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @04:14PM (#17250696)

Anyone else remember far enough back to when OCI referred to the Oracle Call Interface (C library)?

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by Twirrim on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @05:39PM (#17251323)

There's little traces of "OCI" with different meaning all over the place in Oracle, so far as I've seen. Guess it's just one of those useful TLAs that keep repeating.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by Karishma1234 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @02:31PM (#17249746)

Those open positions are in place for H1B visa and green card sponsorships. Also what sense does it make to employs a highly skilled java expert in ordinary java dev role ?

The nonsensical requirements around green card filings force all these large companies to constantly have open job positions that will never be filled. It is mostly to satisfy USCIS than anyone else.

Hint: Check San Jose Mercury News for job ads. Never apply to those jobs. You wont get it.

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by reaperducer on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @02:44PM (#17249876)

>what sense does it make to employs a highly skilled java expert in ordinary java dev role ?

Because, even though ordinary pays less than senior, most people prefer to be employed than unemployed.

$some_paycheck > $no_paycheck

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Re:Oracle Lays Off Java Mission Control Team After Open-Sour... by vbezhenar on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @05:01PM (#17251090)

Is it that hard to find a job in US nowadays? I can have quite a few job offerings if I wish so and I'm far from highly skilled expert.

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