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Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by gwbas1c on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @10:39AM (#17247477)
At this point, we know that Bitcoin doesn't scale to handle the volume of transactions needed for a global digital currency. Ultimately, if you own Bitcoin in hopes of the value going up, it will only go up if someone is willing to pay more for it. There's no other utilitarian use of it.

This means that Bitcoin is a 0-sum game*, and a tremendous waste of resources. At least with gold mining we end up with a material that has important industrial use.

0-sum game: Meaning, in order for someone to profit with Bitcoin, someone has to take a loss.

Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by Raidion on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:16PM (#17248357)
I'm not a huge fan of bitcoin and have never owned more than 200 dollars worth, but that's a super weird argument to make.

Of course something only goes up in value if someone is willing to pay more for it, that's true of art, cars, houses, or whatever. You could argue that a house has more utilitarian value, as you could always live there, but that completely ignores the other persons goals. A house isn't going to be much value if jobs are scarce in that area, but bitcoin would still have value in that scenario.

All that energy is going to make sure you can send a large amount of value between two parties from almost anywhere in the globe with a minimum of transaction costs and a decent amount of anonymity.

This also ignores the fact of risk pricing. I live in Backwatermenistan and the political stability and the currency is looking unstable. I could buy a bitcoin from someone else who has one with local currency, I lower my risk of ruin from currency inflation by paying a price that I deem reasonable, the other guy gets cash which he could use to start a business or anything else that's inside his risk tolerance. No one lost in that scenario.

Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by naravara on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @03:00PM (#17250022)
>I could buy a bitcoin from someone else who has one with local currency, I lower my risk of ruin from currency inflation by paying a price that I deem reasonable

You could just use dollars, euros, or yuan instead. Which is what people currently do in that situation.

Or, be like the mobsters and take payment in goods like olive oil, stolen art, or drugs.

Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by perl4ever on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @11:57PM (#17253144)
Issuing a $100 bill only requires about 10 cents of overhead. Mining $100 in bitcoin requires $100 of overhead because it's inherent to the hashing mechanism. This is a big difference.
Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by sebleon on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @12:40PM (#17248644)
> we know Bitcoin doesn’t scale to handle the volume of transactions needed

No longer true. I used to believe this as well, but I’ve been blown away by the work from Lightning Network [1]. Subsecond transactions that happen off the Bitcoin blockchain, scales beautifully.

[1] http://lightning.network

Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by amalcon on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:33PM (#17249176)
Does that actually exist? It was vaporware for a pretty long time (though admittedly, I haven't checked in more than a year).
Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by yarrel on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:39PM (#17249250)
It does exist and work. It's early days but you can now use it. Source: I bought a sticker using it. :-)
Re:Microsoft has sunk a data centre in the sea to investigat... by cdiddy2 on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @01:56PM (#17249400)
Yes but its still in beta on the mainnet so its not ready for daily use yet. You can see all the nodes here https://lnmainnet.gaben.win/