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Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by asdsa5325 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:20PM (#17242185)
> the copyright holder of the copy you download from archive.org tomorrow, will be copyright archive.org

That is not true.

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:24PM (#17242218)
I think he's taking poetic license there.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:39PM (#17243158)
Mea culpa, I gave way too much benefit of the doubt here.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:31PM (#17242279)
https://archive.org/details/TaylorSwiftReputation

That is the latest Taylor swift full album streamable from archive.org

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by asdsa5325 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:33PM (#17242292)
Ok, but that is not related to what he said. Archive.org will not hold Taylor Swift's copyright in the future.
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Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by asdsa5325 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:32PM (#17242673)
Again, that's simply not true. That's not how copyrights work. Take Project Gutenberg for example- Project Gutenberg hosts public domain work. The copy of the work is still under public domain. What's not under public domain is the fact that PG hosts the public domain work.

For example, you wouldn't be able to use Archive.org's trademarks to advertise public domain work. But Archive.org does not gain hold a copyright over a copy of public domain work

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:07PM (#17242902)
So Getty images has a whole lot of photos of the paintings in the Sistine chapel. I bet those photos are copyright the photographer, ‘yeah but that’s because it’s Getty, that’s allowed’
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:31PM (#17243106)
You seem to be very confused. Getty pays photographers for the rights to their photographs.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by fixermark on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:46PM (#17243994)
Taking a photograph is creation of a new copyrighted work under some now-very-old United States Law. The key idea is "transformation": it's understood that photography includes an editor's eye of what is worth taking a photograph of.

Making a copy of a public domain book does not create an independent claim of copyright to the contents of the book. You can make a case that maybe it should, but it legally does not; that's just not how it works.

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by quickben on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:02PM (#17242878)
That's not how copyright law works.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:32PM (#17242287)
When a DMCA takedown notice is filed, the item will go dark. It will still be archived, but inaccessible. If your Internet Archive uploader account has frequent DMCA requests against it, it's disabled.

Items don't lose their copyright status by being uploaded or stored in the Internet Archive.

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:38PM (#17242322)
It will be inaccessible until it becomes public domain, but the copy that you download from archive.org will be copyright archive.org. You can get the music from somewhere else, if you can, you most likely won’t be able to.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by hobs on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @05:44PM (#17242361)
Copyrights are not transferable like that once they expire, they expire.

Further, that's opposite the entire purpose of Archive.org

Where are you getting this information?

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:10PM (#17242517)
If I take a photo of an original work of sheakespear, then I own the copyright on the photo. And i could license the usage of my photo. If I make a copy of anything, then I own the copyright on the copy. What if, in time, the only copy you could get hold of was my copy. My copy would be copyright me and you’d need to wait for it to become public domain before you could use it under your terms
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by asdsa5325 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:34PM (#17242690)
> If I take a photo of an original work of sheakespear, then I own the copyright on the photo. And i could license the usage of my photo.

That's 100% not true. Please stop spreading misinformation because you have no idea what you are talking about.

"According to a landmark 1999 federal district court ruling, The Bridgeman Art Library, Ltd., Plaintiff v. Corel Corporation, 'exact reproductions of public domain artworks are not protected by copyright.'"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bernard-starr/museum-painting...

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:56PM (#17242834)
The important word is ‘exact’. Non exact means the copy contains copyrightable differences.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @07:34PM (#17243126)
You're just flat out wrong dude. You've got some very bizarre believes about copyright law and I can't fathom where you got them. Whoever you learned from did you a great disservice, or if you 'taught' yourself then you didn't do a very good job at reading.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by dc_gregory on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @09:00PM (#17243566)
Thats a bit unfair; copyright is a fairly unintuitive concept if you haven't been exposed to it.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by JackCh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @09:10PM (#17243621)
That's a fair point, but somebody without much exposure to copyright law should avoid saying inflammatory things like:

>"The internet wayback machine is one of the biggest copyright thiefs in my opinion."

(https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17220943)

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by dc_gregory on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @02:54AM (#17244900)
Hah, I stand corrected
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Thursday June 07, 2018 @05:54PM (#17260618)
If I take a video of jimi Hendrix improvising guitar, then he owns the copyright on the music, but I own the copyright on the recording
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by mgbennet on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:23PM (#17243387)
I believe that in the context of copyright, 'exact' doesn't mean a 100% perfect copy. If I make a film, I hold the copyright for it whether its distributed on VHS, DVD, or online streaming, even if the quality on VHS is different than the film shown in theaters. It'd be like if changing an image from jpeg to tif changed its copyright status. Your example elsewhere of correcting a few typos and saying it's a different work is similar: it's still the same work, even with the minor tweaks.

Anyways, copyright is weird and complicated and there are many people who don't really understand it. But your theory that archive.org is going to get a copyright on everything they scan and store is not rooted in any sort of legal reality.

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @03:02AM (#17244940)
> If I take a photo of an original work of sheakespear, then I own the copyright on the photo.

If the photo meets the requirement for independent copyright ability, which requires being a distinct creative work, that's true, and for a photo that would often but not always be the case.

For a simple non-transformative digital copy, there's no copyrightable new work and no copyright in such a work.

> What if, in time, the only copy you could get hold of was my copy. My copy would be copyright me and you’d need to wait for it to become public domain before you could use it under your terms

If someone was copying elements that were original in your work of the photograph, true, but if they were merely copying the pubkic domain text of which you had taken a photograph, no, not true at all. Copyright protects your original work.

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by ufo on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:34PM (#17242688)
The difference is that picture is a derived work. When you just make a copy you don't get copyright over the copy.
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by kinsomo on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:12PM (#17242530)
> It will be inaccessible until it becomes public domain, but the copy that you download from archive.org will be copyright archive.org. You can get the music from somewhere else, if you can, you most likely won’t be able to.

No.

> For example, if a book published in 1995 is a reprint of a book published in 1900, then it is eligible. However, the onus is on us to prove that it is a reprint, and if it doesn't say on the TP&V that it is a reprint, confirming its eligibility may be impractical.

https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Volunteers%27_FAQ#V...

Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by sbhn on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @06:39PM (#17242715)
What if the 1995 copy had a few deliberate errors thrown in like spelling mistakes and re worded sentences, and your new copy copied those errors verbatim, then I could say that you copied the 1995 version, which was still under copyright by the publisher, and not the 1900 version which we can all agree is public domain
Re:Archive.org and California to start a data sharing and pr... by icebraining on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @07:36AM (#17246129)
Adding a few spelling mistakes and reworded sentences will most likely not pass the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work#Originality_re..., and therefore not be considered a new copyrighted work.