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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by kofejnik on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:28AM (#17238584)
No, it's my device that creates the data, so it is mine. Otherwise, does the typewriter manufacturer own the stories you type?
Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by insulanus on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:36PM (#17239377)
I agree that you should own the data that was created because of your interaction with the device, but I do not agree that the reason is that you own the device.

Here's an example: You go to the library (or a privately owned web cafe), and write your stories there. It doesn't matter that you don't own the device. It's still your data.

Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by cblades on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:35AM (#17238656)
I don't think that analogy holds up. Maybe: does the typewriter manufacturer own meta data such as letter frequency, average work length, etc that their product calculates based on your usage?
Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by kofejnik on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:57AM (#17238898)
No, of course not.

Once money exchanged hands, it's not their product, it's mine, as is _all_ of its output, including logs, etc.

Otherwise, I'd call it 'spyware'.

Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by jimmaswell on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:20PM (#17239196)
This already isn't the case in many instances where you don't actually "own" the thing, you just have a license to use it.