Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a court order

Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by dfxm12 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:34AM (#17237966)

If that law gets passed, you'll no longer "own" the device you bought that collects that data, but will be granted a license to use it.

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by adrianN on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:37AM (#17237997)

I'm sure clever lawyers can come up with a definition of "own" that excludes such trickery.

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by delbel on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @12:13PM (#17239095)

it would be funny to write license agreements for money. They don't actually "own" the money you "gave" them, you just grant them a license to use your money. Just reciprocate the license. Just put the EULA sticker on all your big bills and they are forced to whatever you want, right?

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by teddyh on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:44AM (#17238092)

When computers were new, IBM would not sell computers to customers, but rent them out. Since most people nowadays seem to pay for cell phones, tablets, etc. in monthly installments and “need” to get a new model as soon as the one they have is fully paid off, I’m sure a jump to leasing/renting devices is a very small one in practice.

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by noer on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:48AM (#17238143)

You already are renting/paying a monthly use license fee if you "buy" a phone from your carrier with a monthly payment and the ability to upgrade after x months.

I did this by accident when I "bought" an iPhone a few years ago and was told I couldn't keep it after I water damaged it and got a replacement. I started buying devices outright after that.

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by macintux on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:09AM (#17238361)

Landline telephones used to operate similarly, before the massive AT&T breakup. Time is a wheel.

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by Shivetya on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @11:33AM (#17238634)

considering how some manufacturers are monetizing the center console and support applications; go check out onstar to see an example but Audi does it to; you can bet they would want to charge for access as they are providing a service to store it.

Got to amazed at chutzpah some companies have, my favorite whipping boy is Onstar. Here my nice little car has the ability to notify authorities in a crash BUT only if I pay for that service. Now on one hand I would not mind a nice small fee per month, say five bucks or less for something that would infrequently used if ever, but with Onstar the lowest cost is 24.99 a month!!

fwiw, when I had my car new they would even send driving reports, like when the system decided i accelerated to hard, braked too hard, and such. Real joy in what they collect AND sell to third parties

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Re:Tesla won’t give drivers their own crash data without a c... by Retric on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @10:38AM (#17238007)

Laws are flexible, it's easy enough to cover that loophole.

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