The Cost of Developers

Re:The Cost of Developers by scarface74 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:13AM (#17236909)

What are those regular old desktop apps? Apps built by Microsoft, Adobe, and a few other large companies. The bespoke internal business apps have been moving to the web for decades.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by pjmlp on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:33AM (#17237024)

In SV maybe.

I have been developing mostly new WPF enterprise applications in the last 4 years and there is plenty of work across European business.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by eftpotrm on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @09:44AM (#17237494)

While I've not done corporate desktop development in nearly 10 years now, but have been doing enterprise apps for most of that period. Not in SV, not even in the tech hotspots of the UK, and it's all been web.

I'm not saying my experience is typical, but I suspect the bulk of enterprise apps are now browser rather than desktop based.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by scarface74 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:46AM (#17237117)

I've been on the opposite coast in a major metro system for the last 20 years. I've been an "Enterprise Developer" for the last 10. The number of companies that are wanting new programs that are not either web or mobile based is slim.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by pjmlp on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @09:15AM (#17237291)

The focus of Google making ChromeOS desktop friendly with Android native apps, and exposing the underlying GNU/Linux userspace shows they see pressure in desktop market.

Another example is how across Europe, Windows 10 2-1 convertibles are basically wiping out Android tablets at consumer stores.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by scarface74 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @09:39AM (#17237452)

The focus of Google making ChromeOS desktop friendly with Android native apps, and exposing the underlying GNU/Linux userspace shows they see pressure in desktop market.

That has nothing to do with the statement that no one cares about Windows desktop development. All of the energy in the software space is web and mobile. Google wants to leverage the Android market - which dwarfs the install based of desktops to make Chrome OS more appealing. Apple just announced they are doing something similar - porting iOS frameworks to MacOS to make it easier for iOS developers to write Mac apps. No one would ever say that the Mac desktop market is vibrant.

Another example is how across Europe, Windows 10 2-1 convertibles are basically wiping out Android tablets at consumer stores.

Android tablets are horrible experiences. What are most people doing with thier desktop computers? Using the web and the same apps from the big companies - Microsoft and Adobe.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:22AM (#17236962)

I think you'd be surprised how few companies that aren't SV startups actually give a damn about the cloud. "Oh, you want to charge me a subscription to use software I already own and host all my data and critical infrastructure somewhere where I don't have direct control over it? And it costs more? Where do I sign up!?"

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Re:The Cost of Developers by scarface74 on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:31AM (#17237008)

The last company that I worked for was the stodgiest, old school non SV company that you could find.

They paid software as a service companies for everything from project management, human resource related software, mobile device management, email, they had Office 365, etc.

Most new internal software is being written using web technologies. Even if they are hosting the apps themselves. They want thier employees to be able to access their bespoke apps remotely without logging into a Citrix Server.

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Re:The Cost of Developers by vinceguidry on Tuesday June 05, 2018 @08:37AM (#17237053)

This is disingenuous, the big software outfits have entire teams of people to ensure their price points are reflective of existing market offerings. They'll raise prices when they can, and slightly lower them when they're looking to make a play like this. Nothing about the cloud makes this dance any different, we're still using the same steps and beat, just to an internet jukebox.

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