Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by cdelsolar on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:30AM
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You can if they're providing a service for the public. Wtf are you talking about?
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Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by toomuchtodo on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:31AM
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A business has the right to refuse service to anyone.
I genuinely thought this ruling would go the other way, but I can appreciate why it didn’t. The demarcation of rights is fraught with complexity.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by bootlooped on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:33AM
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Except if the reason they are refusing them service is because they are a member of a protected class. This was a core issue of the civil rights movement.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by toomuchtodo on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:35AM
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It could be argued that forcing a business owner to provide a service they don’t want to perform is assault by the state (protected classes notwithstanding).
What if a business owner’s religion precludes then from serving a protected class or someone with a disability? Which takes precedence?
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by oneeyedpigeon on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:44AM
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But the business owner in this case is specifically offering to provide the service (baking a cake to your requirements) already. Unless they aren't, and they just offer a number of predesigned, off-the-shelf cakes, but it doesn't sound like that's the case here.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by peterwwillis on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:35AM
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Not according to the civil rights act of 1964. Or the americans with disabilities act of 1990.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by overcast on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:31AM
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Baking isn't a public service.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by Finnucane on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:37AM
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It is a 'public accommodation' within the meaning of the legal definition: i.e., a place where the general public may freely enter and do business. Civil rights law forbids discrimination in public accommodations on the basis of race, religion, or national origin. If a Christian baker said, we don't serve Jews, they'd get sued in a minute.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by samueldavid on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:48AM
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in what part it says sexual orientation though.?
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by spuz on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:46AM
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Why not? If it's a service available to the public, it must be a public service, no?
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by vxxzy on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:31AM
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Likewise, there are other public bakeries more than willing to take cash. Let the market do its thing.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by samueldavid on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:31AM
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they are not forced too, it's their business
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by cdelsolar on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:35AM
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Yes they are, this is what the civil rights movement was all about, you can't discriminate based on a large number of protected classes
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by samueldavid on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:50AM
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are gays a protected class?
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by cdelsolar on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:57AM
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it damn well should be, since gay marriage is now legal
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by dorp on Monday June 04, 2018 @12:52PM
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are straigts a protected class?
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by rawTruthHurts on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:35AM
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Exactly. That's why I don't bake for asians.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by leetcrew on Monday June 04, 2018 @11:37AM
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i think the argument is that, while refusing to serve the gay couple at all would be illegal discrimination, refusing to make a cake with their specific design is not. although i find it gross that people would have an issue making this type of cake, i find the free speech angle somewhat compelling in this case.
Re:Supreme Court Sides with Baker Who Turned Away Gay Couple
by paulmd on Monday June 04, 2018 @02:38PM
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Per the article, the baker did not know a specific design, he categorically refused to make any custom cake for them.
>The Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that Mr. Phillips’s free speech rights had not been violated, noting that the couple had not discussed the cake’s design before Mr. Phillips turned them down.