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Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by jjeaff on Monday June 04, 2018 @12:17AM (#17224580)
MySQL is a great example. Bought by Oracle, still a good product, but also forked by some big players as well as some open source groups. I'm sure it is still the most commonly used database on the web today and Mariadb and percona both maintain great MySQL forks as well.
Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by stephenr on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:39AM (#17224955)
The MariaDB story is a bit of a fuck you though - cries about how oracle will close mysql (which hasn’t happened) but then adopts a bullshit license for its own software.

But the damage is already done - people think MariaDB is some bastion of good intentions and open source software now, because they very rarely look deeper.

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by Jedd on Monday June 04, 2018 @03:16AM (#17225318)
> The MariaDB story is a bit of a fuck you though - cries about how oracle will close mysql (which hasn’t happened) but then adopts a bullshit license for its own software.

What?

There was strong precedent for fearing what may happen with MySQL. Knowledge of what happened to Hudson, OES, OpenOffice, Solaris ... this would concern the stewards of any bit of software that got swallowed up by Oracle.

(Edit: Also I recall some worrying stories coming out from Monty and other key developers.)

What's this 'bullshit licence' that MariaDB has? I thought the source was (L)GPL all the way down?

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by stephenr on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:24AM (#17225645)
Lookup MariaDB MaxScale.
Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by Jedd on Monday June 04, 2018 @05:34AM (#17226042)
> Lookup MariaDB MaxScale.

This is like a scavenger hunt.

I've looked up MariaDB MaxScale ... and found an optional / add-on product that is aimed at Enterprises, seems to require an Enterprise support licence for the Enterprise edition of MariaDB ... and I completely fail to see how any of this demonstrates that the 'MariaDB story is a bit of a fuck you'.

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by stephenr on Monday June 04, 2018 @05:41AM (#17226104)
A DuckDuckGo search for 'mariadb maxscale license' gave me this in result #3: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3109213/open-source-tools/...

Basically - their formerly GPL proxy for doing HA deployments is suddenly not open source.

They can of course make this decision - it's their code to do with as they wish. But it's quite fucking rich for Monty to claim Oracle will close source MySQL, create a fork and company which then uses that fear to grow in popularity, only to do the very thing he accused oracle of doing: closing an open source product.

Edit:

Also, if you think only "enterprise" customers need database clusters that survive individual node's being offline, you're in for a big shock.

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by paulie_a on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:48AM (#17224993)
I personally have not and will never use MySQL again because Oracle owns them. That is a company where software goes to die. Plus their atrocious security record.
Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by dnomad on Monday June 04, 2018 @01:51AM (#17225003)
Indeed the most extraordinary story of the last ten years is how Google, Oracle, Redhat, Microsoft and Facebook have funded open-source software to tune of billions. This is likely the greatest act of charity the planet has ever known. And while a lot of holier-than-thou types (particularly here on HN) imagine these tech giants as not to be trusted or even the enemies of OSS, the numbers don't lie. Look closely at who actually funds and writes the vast majority of OSS and the same five companies pop up over and over and over...
Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by beefield on Monday June 04, 2018 @02:11AM (#17225070)
Why would that be charity as opposed to a sane shareholder value maximizing business decision?
Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by Jedd on Monday June 04, 2018 @03:10AM (#17225291)
> Indeed the most extraordinary story of the last ten years is how Google, Oracle, Redhat, Microsoft and Facebook have funded open-source software to tune of billions.

Definitely not the most extraordinary story over the last decade.

And trumped by IBM's famous first $1b spend on 'Linux' just shy of twenty years ago, and their subsequent announcement that they'd recouped that money within a year.

Coincidentally this speaks to your claim:

> This is likely the greatest act of charity the planet has ever known.

These guys aren't in it for the charity. There's doubtless plenty of positive PR spin from contributing to free software -- but don't mistake pragmatism or happenstance for altruism.

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by dnomad on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:00AM (#17225521)
Your confused if you think just because one benefits from charitable actions that somehow invalidates them.

And IBM's contribution was, frankly, marketing. It does not compare to the volumes of high quality technology that the companies I mentioned have simply given away for free.

Many on HN and others are perhaps too close to it but I think people will look back upon this extraordinary corporate charity as a decisive event of the century.

Re:GitLab sees huge spike in project imports by Jedd on Monday June 04, 2018 @04:19AM (#17225610)
> Your confused if you think just because one benefits from charitable actions that somehow invalidates them.

I think you're being overly charitable to think these tech corporations had charitable intentions when they contributed resources to tech projects that happened to improve their tech business prospects.

> And IBM's contribution was, frankly, marketing. It does not compare to the volumes of high quality technology that the companies I mentioned have simply given away for free.

Bizarre you didn't mention that up front when you named 'the big five contributors'.

On what do you base your bold claim that IBM's contribution was marketing, and the other corporations weren't?

> Many on HN and others are perhaps too close to it but I think people will look back upon this extraordinary corporate charity as a decisive event of the century.

IBM announced their first billion spend last century.