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Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by derefr on Sunday June 03, 2018 @06:55PM (#17222897)
That assumes that all money is valued relative to cost of living.

But, I think, for a lot of people, a lot of their spending is nonlocal (e.g. internet shopping) or at least on price-standardized goods, and so is not tied to cost-of-living.

Let's say that in SV, you'd be making 400k, and—after spending on cost-of-living—keeping 10% as "pocket money." Well, that's 40k.

Now let's say that in Austin, you'd be making 100k, and keeping 30% as pocket money. That's 30k.

40k buys more iPhones (or whatever else you might want) than 30k. 40k is also more money to send back home to your family in India or wherever, than 30k is. It's smaller in relative terms, but what does that matter when it's still larger in absolute terms?

(Certainly, there's a lifestyle where spending on priced-to-cost-of-living goods can expand to consume all available salary. For example, if your goal in life is to throw extravagant parties with delicious food, then that food is going to cost less in Austin, so–even with 10k less in the budget—you can afford to throw more parties, and invite more people. But I feel like HN types are the least likely to have this kind of spending profile.)

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by driverdan on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:13PM (#17223010)
> Let's say that in SV, you'd be making 400k

No you won't.

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by akhilcacharya on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:22PM (#17223064)
This is a very typical TC for T5/E5 at Google/FB. And of course Netflix and the like.
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by otalp on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:46PM (#17223219)
That's literally a few hundred people, not the norm
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by akhilcacharya on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:48PM (#17223230)
Closer to a few thousand, and even if, so?
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by nunya213 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @10:30PM (#17224090)
The point is that those few thousand represent outliers. How many engineers work in the Valley or in the US? 400K puts you in the vaunted top 1% for the entire country.
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by scarmig on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:52PM (#17223260)
400k is absolutely achievable, with no crazy breaks.

Get a job at Google or your choice of big tech company. Work there 5-10 years, doing a regular amount of nonexceptional work.

There. You are making 400k TC, and should have saved enough for a down payment on a single family home.

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by ryandrake on Sunday June 03, 2018 @08:10PM (#17223341)
Nope. 400K would make you an at least one, maybe two standard deviation outlier. Get a grip! Sure, these salaries probably exist, but they are super rare. Every HN salary thread, these people crawl out of the woodwork to tell you that their brother's girlfriend's cousin's roommate makes $400K at Google, so therefore that's a "normal tech salary". It's a legendary HN trope at this point. These people are quoting outlier salaries at outlier companies.

If you want some numbers with actual sources, the median software engineer salary for a software engineer in the bay area is around $110-125K, according to Glassdoor[1] and Payscale[2]. You can argue about their methodology, but it's better than the usual "anecdote = average" logic that these HN salary experts employ. Even if equity added an additional 100% of salary (which I have never seen in my life) we're not even close to these oft-quoted $400K figures.

To you guys outside of SF. When you hear people throwing around these anonymously sourced salary figures you need to take them with an enormous grain of salt. These figures are fantasy land.

1: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-software-en...

2: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Software_Engineer/S...

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by scarmig on Sunday June 03, 2018 @09:15PM (#17223696)
I don't know what to say, except that if you're relying on Glassdoor as an indication of L5 compensation at Google, you're making decisions based on bad information. And, yes, equity can be 50% or more of TC at those levels, which have salaries well above 110k.

If there's someone reading this who's interested in working at Google or Facebook but worry the compensation might be too low to live a good lifestyle in the Bay Area, ask actual people who work there for input instead of people who gawk in disbelief at these salaries.

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by nunya213 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @10:29PM (#17224080)
Exactly, at FAANG level companies. Only a tiny fraction of engineers in the valley work at those companies so those salaries are in fact outliers.
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by bproven on Sunday June 03, 2018 @08:26PM (#17223425)
I agree - 250-400K is the upper echelon. This is not the majority. Most techies are in the 150K and under group here...
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by tropo on Sunday June 03, 2018 @07:42PM (#17223198)
No, a normal cost-of-living calculation assumes that you will spend a typical portion of your money on non-local things.

For the conversion to be wrong, you first need to show that your personal situation is far from the norm. For example, you could show that you are saving 80% of your income toward retirement, or that you insist on having a violinist play during a private at-home dinner every night.

So... are you that weird?

If you aren't so weird, then the cost-of-living calculation is correct.

Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by nunya213 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @10:34PM (#17224106)
100K is near entry level for tech salaries in Austin so there is absolutely no chance you would clear 400K at a similar job in the valley. You are living in a dream.
Re:Nearly half of Bay Area residents say they want to leave by derefr on Monday June 04, 2018 @12:22AM (#17224607)
I was making up numbers. The actual average salaries are irrelevant to the argument that "absolute more-pocket-money is still absolute more-pocket-money."

It might not be true that SV is the place to go if you want the absolute most pocket money (or, again, money-to-send-home-to-your-family-in-another-country), but I'm pretty certain it is if you're willing to live out of your car.

The actual calculation of where you should live to get the most pocket money is probably available at any Effective Altruist forum. "Earning to give" and all that.