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Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday May 31, 2018 @02:57PM (#17199030)
Android is almost as locked to Google Play as Apple is to the App Store, to the effect that no vendor has made a successful business selling phones without the Play Store. While they've finally fixed it, for years, they used scare tactics to prevent sideloading by insinuating it as a security risk, requiring you allow "less secure apps" in order to sideload. Most applications won't run without Play Services even if you do sideload them, and Play Services can remote uninstall an app from every device anyways, should they choose to employ it.

Yes, you can roll your own with a ROM and limit yourself to the tiny selection on F-Droid, but you enter an increasingly niche area. While it's "technically possible", it isn't really supported well enough to justify holding it as a benefit over a competing platform from a mainstream sense.

Bear in mind, when faced with a technical question revolving around making a backup of APK files, a core Android engineer said they "didn't support piracy", which was... a pretty hefty accusation to throw around for an innocuous backup of apps for being able to sideload should they be pulled from the then-called Android Market.

Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by glglwty on Thursday May 31, 2018 @03:57PM (#17199621)
I wonder how difficult/useful it would be to create a community-driven package management system, like AUR or nixpkgs. Is there any known attempt?
Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by y_molodtsov on Friday June 01, 2018 @06:43AM (#17204149)
But I can go to a public forum right now and find pirated .apk for thousands Android apps. And that’s extremely bad for the ecosystem.
Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by walrus01 on Thursday May 31, 2018 @10:49PM (#17202221)
Regarding your first paragraph, all of the Chinese domestic versions of Android have been totally successful without the official Play Store. The manufacturer such as Huawei, zte, oppo, etc installs the Chinese app stores as part of the OS load. What you wrote applies to the English language market.
Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by ocdtrekkie on Friday June 01, 2018 @01:42AM (#17202861)
This is a half truth. You are right in that Chinese companies have succeeded without the Play Store, but for one key reason: Google isn't in China. Literally the only place Android is open is where Google voluntarily isn't keeping it closed.
Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by Drdrdrq on Friday June 01, 2018 @02:07AM (#17202962)
Well, not quite voluntarily.. ;)
Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by jacksmith21006 on Sunday June 03, 2018 @10:49AM (#17219780)
Google is not in China because the China government tried to hack Gmail accounts so they left as the right thing to do.

But I think you know this?

Re:Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute ... by jacksmith21006 on Friday June 01, 2018 @06:32PM (#17211040)
The core difference is I can use an apk without any trouble.

But this is not the first time we can see a difference between how Apple and Google conduct themselves in these situations.

Look at China. The China government tried to hack Gmail accounts and so Google left China. Versus Apple handed all their user data over to the China government. I get it was so Apple could make money in China but sometimes principle is more important as we saw with Google.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy... Campaign targets Apple over privacy betrayal for Chinese iCloud ...