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Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by jimmaswell on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:33AM (#17188511)
>It is not difficult to avoid storing data you don't need.

Access logs for one thing are pretty unreasonable to force people to avoid storing.

>Existing systems were built on the assumption that "misappropriating" PII was a lucrative thing to do. This led to abuse from the industry.

Can you point out a specific example of somebody suffering actual damages from this "abuse?"

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by grive on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:50AM (#17188691)
Cambridge analytica is a good example. I guess considering this abuse may be different from a US customer point of view, but for my european sensibility, this is definitely abuse. Furthermore, that Facebook could harvest ghost profiles that could be used in this manner is problematic.

I think it is certainly possible to find cases of identity theft resulting from PII that were leaked in security breaches, made easier by overreaching data collection.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:48AM (#17188668)
> Access logs for one thing are pretty unreasonable to force people to avoid storing.

Store them for a limited time, it's not hard.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by jimmaswell on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:14PM (#17188947)
Not "hard" for us, no, even if an unnecessary burden. Now go make some small veterinary clinic with no "computer person" on hand, with a small website they had set up years ago that lets you schedule appointments, figure all this out. They'll probably either stay uncompliant or have to drop the website.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:04PM (#17189423)
That's a shame, but it's a side effect of anything ever that requires an update. Any small business commissioning a site in 2019 will get something that's compliant, so it's not like this is a permanent drain.

Sometimes it's important to update regulations, despite the inertia of existing implementations.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by jimmaswell on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:28PM (#17189655)
This attitude reminds me of a quote: "Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make."
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:42PM (#17189780)
Better than the idea that we can never change any law because someone will have to adjust to it.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by xevb3k on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:34PM (#17193765)
Running a single server for a small business is hard anyway they’re occasionally going to need support.

As the first offense only seems to result in a warning, they have a chance to figure things out. Then is asking their webdev to schedule a cron job to delete logs really such a burden?