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Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:10AM (#17188274)
When can Congress pass a law requiring newspapers to delete information it has collected about somebody?
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:58AM (#17188777)
I think you're conflating GDPR with other laws. GDPR isn't about editorial content, it's about data you collect on your users.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:05PM (#17189441)
Which is information you might want to keep and share. So that you can talk about people.

Example: if I want to say Brian accessed my website last Thursday.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:20PM (#17189561)
You can do journalism about Brian specifically, but you can't preemptively store information about everybody just in case.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @10:42PM (#17193556)
Then you can't keep information around necessary to defend yourself against defamation.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by CamTin on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:16AM (#17188321)
They've done so in other industries a couple times with HIPAA and FERPA. What makes newspapers different?
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Mvandenbergh on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:33AM (#17188515)
The way that works (and in fact the way that classification of government secrets works in the US) is that this information is 'born secret'.

This information is has to be kept away from the public, including journalists, but there is no law preventing journalists from publishing information about someone's health. HIPAA doesn't cover journalists, it just prevents covered entities from giving journalists information.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:33AM (#17188512)
FERPA's tied to federal funding.

The constitution specifically calls out for a "free press."

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by duxup on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:42AM (#17188612)
I don't think things like GDPR and "free press" are in conflict like you think they are.... at least you haven't explained how they are supposedly in conflict.

HIPAA exists... and it doesn't prevent the press from using that information.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:16PM (#17188966)
Part of free speech is being able to gather and record information. Observation.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by duxup on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:22PM (#17189022)
The press can do that... that's allowed.

I'm not sure your really have a good grasp on what any of these laws actually do, let alone 'free speech'. You keep alluding to complications that don't exist and don't explain what you're talking about.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:08PM (#17189456)
If the GDPR didn't affect press freedom, the USA Today wouldn't be serving a different version of its website to EU users.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by Dylan16807 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:25PM (#17189619)
They're serving the same articles.

For "press freedom" defined as the writing and publishing of articles, it's unaffected.

For "press freedom" defined as literally any action a member of the press takes, sure it's affected, but that's a very flawed definition. It's not like drunk driving laws are an infringement on "press freedom", even though they occasionally affect members of the press.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by hannasanarion on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:22PM (#17189584)
Have you considered that USA Today doesn't have an exquisite understanding of the law?

Or perhaps, that USA Today is collecting tracking data on its users and selling it secretly to 3rd parties and doesn't want to stop spying?

Plenty of other newspapers have had no problem implementing GDPR. It's as simple as not spying on your users.

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by duxup on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:23PM (#17189601)
I think you should look into the differences and think critically about why there are differences.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by duxup on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:22AM (#17188381)
My doctor can't share information even if he has collected it about me.

It's not like information doesn't have restrictions already, those situations do not seem to have been ruled unconstitutional...

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by DanBC on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @11:35AM (#17188532)
GDPR can't do that either.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:15PM (#17188959)
It does do that.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by hannasanarion on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @12:42PM (#17189208)
No it doesn't. Newsworthy information is an explicit exception listed in Article 17, and so is free speech.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:04PM (#17189434)
Who decides newsworthy? Their subscriber list is newsworthy if they deem it so.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by hannasanarion on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:18PM (#17189550)
First, the company decides whether the request needs to be complied with or not, and if the user doesn't like that decision, they can complain to the regulators who may choose whether the refusal is worth looking into.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:33PM (#17191490)
Regulators.
Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by DanBC on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:47PM (#17190447)
No. Here's the full text of the right to erasure. Pay attention to all the reasons given for why processors can ignore the request to erase data.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

But then look at para 3.

> Paragraphs 1 and 2 shall not apply to the extent that processing is necessary:

> for exercising the right of freedom of expression and information;

Re:USA needs law 'a lot like GDPR' says Salesforce CEO Marc ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @05:56PM (#17192246)
Then I'm going to store all the information I want, for the purpose of expressing it to others. Oh wait, I can't do that? Somehow the EU has a different definition of "freedom of expression" in mind than what the words actually mean.