Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by andreyk on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @06:20PM
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One could argue good editing and curation is of high value. Not sure I buy it, but Arxiv certainly lacks curation or editing...
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Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by garmaine on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:51PM
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Sure, if the publisher actually provides that. They don’t. (Or rather, they farm it out to volunteer labor while collecting a fee anyway.)
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by thedailymail on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @06:10AM
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Nature journals actually do provide professional copyediting services for all articles accepted for publication. For commentaries (from my own experience), the editing process at Nature is quite intensive.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by rocqua on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @08:00PM
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That just pushes out the argument by one level of indirection.
The publishers 'curate and edit' the board of editors for their journals. In turn, these boards of editors curate and edit the articles that go into the journal.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by garmaine on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @01:30PM
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Nope, they don’t. The “volunteer” reviewers are drawn from past published authors, who in turn had their articles selected by previously published reviewers. Turtles all the way down.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by robotresearcher on Thursday May 31, 2018 @01:08AM
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This is not true. Reviewers may or may not have been past authors. I have reviewed for many journals in which I have never published.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by modeless on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @06:38PM
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Conferences can fill that role instead. Their business model doesn't require paywalls or the copyright police.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by cossatot on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:02PM
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All the conferences in my field have literal security guards checking the badges that are only handed out after paying hundreds of dollars to register.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by modeless on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:38PM
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Of course, but you don't need to attend the conference to read and benefit from the research, and that's the important thing.
The journal business model usually requires restricting access to the research, while the conference business model still works when the research is free.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by flor1s on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @04:18AM
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Except that conference proceedings can be exactly like a journal, i.e. you often need to pay to access them.
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by dingo_bat on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @10:58PM
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There must be some benefit to attending conferences, otherwise why would scientists attend them?
Re:Thousands of AI researchers are boycotting the new Nature...
by setzer22 on Wednesday May 30, 2018 @02:51AM
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Yeah, but it's usually more about a chance to socialize with other people in the field.
It's also interesting to hear other people's talks that serve as a "teaser" for what's in the paper.