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Re:America has a truck driver shortage by StudentStuff on Monday May 28, 2018 @03:12PM (#17174188)
This is the nature of truck driving, the headline has been $100k/yr job without the need of a degree for years, but in actuality, only those who work very hard & cheat the books get close to that.

Are you willing to drive while sleepy, break regs when the customer is demanding you drive longer to deliver their products (due to traffic delaying you or similar)? Its a really screwed up industry.

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by joe_the_user on Monday May 28, 2018 @08:17PM (#17175556)
This is the nature of truck driving, the headline has been $100k/yr job without the need of a degree for years, but in actuality, only those who work very hard & cheat the books get close to that.

No, trucking was a decent living 'till deregulation in the 90s.

"How Trucking Went From One of the Best Jobs in America to One of the Worst" http://time.com/money/4325164/trucking-worst-job/

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by lazyasciiart on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @12:02AM (#17176394)
"No" is an incorrect response. The 90s is two decades ago. Your comment doesn't contradict the previous one at all.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by michaelt on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @05:47AM (#17177738)
Presumably he was contradicting "This is the nature of truck driving" - saying, in other words, that the problem isn't inherent to truck driving but rather came about due to deregulation.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by awat on Monday May 28, 2018 @03:42PM (#17174382)
Agreed, my hope is that it isn't a foreshadow for other industries. Once breaking regs and cheating (whatever that looks like for a given industry) become part of the revenue forecast. It’s pretty hard for market participants to compete without doing those things.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by dorchadas on Monday May 28, 2018 @04:30PM (#17174657)
Then we should just completely remove regs, obviously /s
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by syshum on Monday May 28, 2018 @06:18PM (#17175203)
Very hard to do that today with Electronic logs and most companies going to Systems that track based on what the truck is doing not what the driver reports.

This is one of the reasons there is a shortage alot of those drivers that used to "cheat the books" (which is a whole other thing) stopped making as much money, and can not pull the same number of loads anymore

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by djajshgsjja on Monday May 28, 2018 @06:08PM (#17175161)
Just curious, how does cheating the books work for a driver?
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by devonkim on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:50PM (#17175470)
The only one I’m familiar with is that you drive more than you report and that lets you take on more jobs. You’re not supposed to drive more than (for example) 14 hours / day for safety reasons but most drivers that pull six figures tend to have violated these laws fundamentally.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by twothamendment on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @01:47AM (#17176775)
It may not be to take more jobs, it may be to keep the one you have. Say it takes 14 hours and 45 minutes and you can only log 14 hours drive time. How do you get the job done when dispatch is promising you'll be there? Start driving before you log the start of your day, log breaks when really you've been peeing in a bottle, log some time to inspect your truck when you are stuck in traffic. A little here and there. You can also fudge when you slept and start so you can get rolling sooner. The pressure to do this is huge. If you won't, someone else will, so you do it to keep your job.

Bonus, if you are caught the company doesn't care, they will hire someone else, but it sticks with your record.

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by caf on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:28AM (#17178112)
The only way to align the incentives here is for the company to also face sanctions if one of their drivers is caught.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by TheForumTroll on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @11:03AM (#17179750)
>Bonus, if you are caught the company doesn't care, they will hire someone else, but it sticks with your record.

Which is why the company is also fined in many places (like the EU). The problem is the company most of the time.

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by golergka on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @07:34AM (#17178142)
> Are you willing to drive while sleepy, break regs when the customer is demanding you drive longer to deliver their products (due to traffic delaying you or similar)? Its a really screwed up industry.

Screwed up would be forbidding people from making this personal choice through regulation.

Re:America has a truck driver shortage by Nasrudith on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @10:17AM (#17179347)
The problem is that it doesn't just affect them. If drunk drivers only killed themselves it would be a lesser issue not worth setting up checkpoints over.
Re:America has a truck driver shortage by StudentStuff on Wednesday June 06, 2018 @08:53PM (#17252407)
Warrantless checkpoints aren't legal in Washington State, and having experienced them in other states I'm very happy to not have to interact with an armed goon at a random checkpoint.