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Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by zjaffee on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:24PM (#17173934)
The broader point I'm getting at is that the middle class historically didn't struggle in the way they do now. They used to be able to afford homes, vacations, college, and now that is only available to the upper middle class.
Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by the_gastropod on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:58PM (#17174112)
Homes today are roughly twice the size they were in the 1970s [1]. Despite that, home ownership rates are higher than they were in the '70s [2]. More people today have college educations in the U.S. than any time in U.S. history [3]. I'm not fond of the rhetoric about the poor middle class. There are issues we need to solve w/r/t poor economic mobility. We should be focusing our attention more on solving those problems, and less on complaining about things that aren't true.

[1] http://www.aei.org/publication/todays-new-homes-are-1000-squ...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home-ownership_in_the_United_S...

[3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/184272/educational-attai...

Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by dnomad on Monday May 28, 2018 @04:04PM (#17174521)
The economy is a "forward-oriented enterprise." What matters is not so much where we are but where we are going. To that end it's important to understand that homeownership rates are falling fast [1], birth rate is falling [2] and "80s babies" (ie the Millenials) are much, much poorer than their parents were in their 20s and 30s.

If you're an investor (and everybody's an investor whether they like it or not) the question you should be asking is what things will be like in ten years.

That said the article (like pretty much all economics that comes out of The Atlantic) is pretty silly. The dire condition of the American middle class is completely the fault of the US government. In the last 30 years (while China has achieved world historic growth) the US has dumped trillions into wholly unnecessary wars and giveaways to international investors. The $20 trillion dollars the US government has wasted is the greatest malinvestment in the history of the world. All the money that should've been spent on vital innovations and critical investments and infrastructure was used to blow up brown people and inflate asset prices. 2008 was just the beginning; the consequences of this extraordinary malinvestment will take decades to ripple through the global economy. The 9.9% or any other arbitrary percent of Americans are only to blame to the extent that they haven't overthrown their government and executed a few politicians. Over and over electorate have failed to correct the system and so politicians like John McCain -- who helped push America into the greatest crime of the 21st century -- are widely lauded instead of arrested.

[1] https://www.ft.com/content/51771766-7c7c-11e7-9108-edda0bcbc...

[2] https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2018/5/22/17376536/fe...

[3] https://www.stlouisfed.org/~/media/Files/PDFs/HFS/essays/HFS...

Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by 5DFractalTetris on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:44PM (#17174031)
Simply untrue. Do not change the definition of middle class. A single-wide prefab of real lumber for a family of three costs a year of wage or two for a high school graduate. Resourceful individuals can develop land cooperatives. Vacations and college aren't strictly necessary for many, nor particularly unattainable. A road trip anywhere in the USA or continental Europe is nearly free, and a four-year degree at a State U in eight years will barely touch the discretionary income of the sort of individual who has decided to pursue that objective.

The idea of a "middle-class struggle" is confused with changing standards and lifestyles of the middle class. Certainly the regular use of jet airplanes, hotel accommodations, and full-service dining may be out of reach for some, but an urban-agrarian lifestyle with the use of a motorcar and modern conveniences such as electricity and indoor plumbing is cheaper and more accessible than ever.

Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by dsfyu404ed on Monday May 28, 2018 @03:48PM (#17174423)
While I agree with you, people compare themselves to their neighbors not their ancestors so in that sense the goal posts have moved. The bar for "middle" class is higher than it used to be.
Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by phreeza on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:38PM (#17174002)
Important to note that 'historically' here probably refers to the 4 or 5 decades following the second world war, which may well turn out to have been a historical anomaly in the grand scheme of things.
Re:The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy by surfmike on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:42PM (#17174027)
Agreed that homes and college are getting insanely expensive. But as a counterpoint, a higher % of the population own homes and go to college than in decades past (though certainly accruing higher debt than was needed before).