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Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by aae42 on Monday May 28, 2018 @01:03PM (#17173465)
are there privacy concerns here?
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by tomjen3 on Monday May 28, 2018 @01:15PM (#17173538)
Good question. Well if you mix an entire suburb or city block? Probably not, but I imagine that there could be some issues when those robots become cheap enough that you can get it down to house level. Even if you cannot monitor all houses everywhere you could sample houses.

And you wouldn't want that, because then your sample data becomes useless and people start to shit in their back yards, or in public parks.

That said I am still looking for the toilet that does urin analyses ala The Island, I just only want it to tell me, and let me choose to inform my doctor.

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by dustfinger on Monday May 28, 2018 @03:05PM (#17174146)
> I just only want it to tell me, and let me choose to inform my doctor.

I totally agree. It would be wonderful if there was an inexpensive device (it doesn't need to be a toilet) that could perform thorough health analysis, but inform only the user and not any third party. i.e. no Dr or pharmaceutical companies, the producer or manufacturer, the user's insurance broker, ad / marketing companies etc. Absolutely nobody but the user.

I want to trust technology like this because it could perform a profound public good, but untrustworthy companies keep being identified that have ulterior motives (for all sorts of technology, not this specifically).

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by xori on Monday May 28, 2018 @04:16PM (#17174580)
It's going to have to contact a 3rd party to download the latest health diagnostics/flu of the week/software updates.

And speaking of "public good" it would be extremely beneficial to scientists and doctors if that information was made available to them. And beneficial to you, because that device could be improved to give you a better, more informed diagnosis.

The question is what do you care more about, your health? Or your insurance premium?

EDIT: Of course you would want to anonymize it, but you could only go so far while making it still useful. If you unfocused it to a neighbourhood, insurance premiums would go up for bad areas, and the housing market would fluctuate with the health of it's residence.

On the upside, cities and landowners would be incentivized to now care about the health of their residents. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by dustfinger on Monday May 28, 2018 @11:49PM (#17176332)
Thank you for your input. You brought up some important points.

> On the upside, cities and landowners would be incentivized to now care about the health of their residents. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That would be an interesting consequence.

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by vuln on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:14PM (#17173874)
People don't normally shit in their backyard? Now I know why the elderly gentleman next door keeps glaring at me at 530 am.
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by freehunter on Monday May 28, 2018 @01:09PM (#17173500)
The question is could you identify any usable DNA from this waste? And I would expect the answer to be no looking at the bottles. It's a slurry mix of everyone's waste (human or otherwise, lots of stuff gets washed down the drain), so tracing a positive hit on drugs back to the house or person it came from seems like it would be exceedingly difficult to do.

The best you could do is narrow it down to any homes upstream of sample collection, which could be a single neighborhood or an entire city. Or it could be a drifter peeing straight into the sewer grate who doesn't even live in the city.

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by dustfinger on Monday May 28, 2018 @01:22PM (#17173581)
Also Hypochlorous acid reacts, albeit slowly, with DNA and RNA.

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid#Reaction_w...

That fact might make any DNA matching inconclusive.

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by opportune on Monday May 28, 2018 @01:48PM (#17173734)
Yes, to an extent. Not sure how many individuals’ DNA ends up in a given sewage sample

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18769715

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by brigade on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:21PM (#17173915)
In the US, there's no expectation of privacy in stuff you've discarded.
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by aae42 on Monday May 28, 2018 @06:12PM (#17175175)
Guess I better start saving all my poop
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by dustfinger on Monday May 28, 2018 @07:52PM (#17175474)
LOL! Thanks for that one. It has been a long day and you just gave me my first reason to laugh.
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by unethical_ban on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:15PM (#17173878)
No.

Long answer: Not really. If it is aggregated to a point that you can't tell who it's coming from specifically, it seems like less of a worry. If they installed it at each toilet... different.

Also - I'm okay with it as long as it is not used to issue warrants. I would take another look at it if they did.

Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by toomanybeersies on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @12:07AM (#17176415)
I can absolutely see police forces using this data to target law enforcement to specific suburbs or blocks, based on the concentration of drugs and metabolites in the wastewater.
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by notatoad on Monday May 28, 2018 @02:10PM (#17173853)
This is HN, somebody will have a privacy concern
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by TimTheTinker on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @12:02AM (#17176395)
Anyone who is at all security conscious will have privacy concerns when (potentially) personal data is involved. Nothing wrong with that.
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by elvirs on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @01:03AM (#17176633)
there is no personal data in public sewer
Re:Sewage Is Helping Cities Flush Out the Opioid Crisis by B1FF_PSUVM on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @04:20AM (#17177301)
The public sewer extends right up to each building ... like trash collection, already used for data gathering.