Ahh yes, one of my favorite logical fallacies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
If Jamaica passed a law fining any company that hired homosexuals, we'd consider it bullshit even if they tried to abstract it a level up by only passing it as a local law, and then passing another law saying companies that serve Jamaicans have to have local representatives. I'm not sure why you think this is any less bullshitty a tactic, other than the fact that the law they're trying to push seems more reasonable (which I agree with).
If you don't like foreign markets, don't enter them.
Yes, like America. This may shock you, but America isn't always right.
That was exactly your parent's point?
Disappointing to see so many EU apologists defaulting to whataboutism.
> Against individuals: Unlikely, but it could happen
AFAIK IANAL: GDPR doesn't apply to individuals that e.g. host mastodon instance.
However, some non-commercial Mastodon instances are now supporting thousands of users. An argument could be made that operating such instances is no longer a "personal or household activity".
Whilst I would hope that the local data protection agency would side with the Mastodon instance operator, it does put them in a rather difficult situation.
I think this possibility raises a lot of concern for operators of Mastodon instances and other online services.
>> Agreed
Not a lawyer too, but I'm interested what makes you (and jbfoo) believe that it doesn't apply to individuals. It's a EU regulation it should apply to natural and legal persons.
Ok, it has an exception for the processing of data by natural persons in the course of a purely personal or household activity but that doesn't mean it doesn't apply to individuals in general.
If you set up a service that operates in the same way as a similar service would operate if it were done by a business then I suspect that you being a private individual is not going to be much protection, after all you are effectively roughly in the same situation as a sole proprietor business minus the incorporation.
If you process data for family and friends then that would most likely be enough to trigger the exception.
So the dividing line in the case of a Mastodon server would likely be whether or not you allow total strangers to make use of the service and whether or not you respect their rights.
I get the impression that a big part of the motivation for GDPR is this type of resentment against America.
If Facebook was german there's no way that GDPR would of passed.
They have a pretty easy to defend position.
Would be easier if Europe had a coherent voice. You got the former Eastern Bloc countries desperately clinging to the US (because they, rightfully, fear that Putin will screw them over), you got the UK which is trying to not fall apart due to Brexit, France is... France and Merkel is trying to prevent the worst of the shitshow, even though she's miserably failing at that (and under heavy pressure from the AfD nazis and her own sister party which is openly copying the nazis).
In addition, Europe is so damn far behind the US when it comes to military power - jeez, German army is practicing tank shooters with broomsticks as munition, the NH90 marine helicopters are not allowed to fly over water and we all know what a fuckfest the A400M is. No money, no competence, but it wasn't a problem since WW2 as the USA had always covered the EU... now that Trump is, well, being Trump the EU has yet another giant problem to tackle.
As a European, I consider this a good thing.
I am ideologically more aligned to pacifism, the problem is that it does not work in a world of wannabe highschool bullies (USA, China, Russia, Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Qatar) vying for regional dominance.
Europe is so damn powerless and underfunded that we cannot even ensure that basic human rights are respected in conflict areas. On a bully stage, the tiny kid will always be the one that's bullied. No matter how economically powerful the EU is.
Would like more spending to make sure soldiers don't die due to shitty equipment, but still largely fine.
To be honest I used to think you were just a shameless self-promoter like almost everyone else, but in this case you've risen to the occasion. Bravo. I think you're now rating quite high in most people's "mental books of good people". Or at the very least, in the minds of people who actually have a strong impact.
I'd love to see the dataset you have access to backing up any of that statement. It must be fascinating.
You mean like America? That time when the USA decided to enforce their embargo against Cuba by intercepting a payment from one of the Nordics for a bunch of Cuban cigars? No, that's unlikely.
> Is the EU going to extradite owners of these businesses?
Extremely unlikely, besides that would require the cooperation of the other country. But - and this is interesting - the other countries typically expect the EU to cooperate with extraditions when the law is broken and we do. So who knows.
> Are EU courts going to issue default judgements on businesses and individuals?
Against individuals: Unlikely, but it could happen, against businesses, that's typically how things go when one party doesn't show up.
But note that for that to happen you first have to ignore the regulators for long enough to get them really pissed off, an action I would recommend against.