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Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by prepend on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:23PM (#17149387)
I’m sorry, but I’m not sure how you think the p800 looked anything like the iPhone, https://goo.gl/images/t3XvMA

Yes, they are both rectangles. But there were massive differences aside from the capacitive touch.

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by stouset on Thursday May 24, 2018 @10:18PM (#17150151)
There’s an image out there of what phones used to look like imminently before the iPhone’s release and what phones looked like immediately afterward.

It tends to bring this pointless debate to a quick end.

Edit: found them.

Before: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/samsu...

After: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/samsu...

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by _nedR on Tuesday May 29, 2018 @11:52AM (#17180253)
>It tends to bring this pointless debate to a quick end.

Not really.. all the before photos are for keypad phones. All the after photos are for touchscreen phones. I would argue that if you are going to design a pure touchscreen phone, you are likely to end up with an 'iPhone-like' design. Case in point is the LG Prada which was unveiled before the iPhone.

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by lostmsu on Friday May 25, 2018 @01:03AM (#17150751)
Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by berti on Friday May 25, 2018 @01:39AM (#17150902)
That Touch was announced on 5 June 2007... the iPhone was announced on 9 January 2007.
Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by lostmsu on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:13AM (#17151576)
June 5 is the release date, not the announcement date AFAIK
Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by berti on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:45AM (#17151719)
Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by olfox on Friday May 25, 2018 @05:11AM (#17151828)
Before: https://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/bigpic/htc-p3600.gif After: https://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/bigpic/htc-touch.gif

Sure it had an impact on design, but given a couple of years, they would have gotten there(hardware-wise).

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by oblio on Friday May 25, 2018 @04:43AM (#17151711)
While what you're saying holds a bit longer term, those images seem cherry-picked, maybe there's another one missing?

I'm saying that because if you look at the years, the first one goes:

2004 - 2005 - 2006 - iPhone (2007)

And the second one goes:

iPhone (2007) - 2010 - 2011

If they want to prove the point they should not be disingenuous and show some Samsung phones from 2008 and 2009. I doubt that Samsung transitioned from the old design to the new one instantly in 2007, via their magic iPhone cloning machine.

Also, the iPhone was more of a forcing function than anything. If you look at a longer term evolution, screens were getting bigger and bigger and the keyboard smaller and smaller. The iPhone shaved 5-10 years from that evolution by shaming complacent phone producers into moving forward at a decent pace.

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by JohnTHaller on Thursday May 24, 2018 @07:50PM (#17149515)
Parent is referring to the fact that the phone was a full screen and had a grid of icons (reminiscent of Palm) on it like the iPhone did: https://i.imgur.com/Fdk0566.jpg

Parent post didn't say the phones looked the same. The iPhone refined a lot of existing functionality.

Re:Apple Wins $539M from Samsung in Damages Retrial by stouset on Thursday May 24, 2018 @10:25PM (#17150181)
People making this argument seem to be under the incorrect belief that Apple patented a grid of icons. They did not. They patented a specific aesthetic and functional design that incorporates a grid of icons, but is much more specific than only that.