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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by rhacker on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:56PM (#17147700)
The fact that these people KNOW it's called "SWAT"ting means they know that a SWAT team is going to go to the house with guns. The people that called it in are more guilty than the police. Yes it sucks that we don't train police better, but they should definitely make the punishment so severe that it helps reduce future SWATTING calls.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by emodendroket on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:04PM (#17147788)
They're guilty, but I don't see how it follows thst the person who actually did the shooting is blameless.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by joe_the_user on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:09PM (#17147846)
Given random person through-out the world could make a Swatting call, and more broadly, hearsay evidence of a terrible crime is always going to exist in potential, if you don't secure your procedures against killing people only on hearsay you're guilty of something kind of terrible.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by agildehaus on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:12PM (#17147876)
They know a SWAT team is going to go because they know police will overreact to a phone call.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by rhacker on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:15PM (#17147925)
That's exactly what I'm saying - yes the police bear some responsibility, but the caller still wanted this dangerous situation to exist.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by agildehaus on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:22PM (#17148022)
The root problem is the overreaction to the phone call. Swatting wouldn't exist without police overreaction and lack of verification.

We can control how police act by settings standards and demanding better. We cannot prevent terrible people from making false 911 calls.

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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by GFischer on Thursday May 24, 2018 @05:46PM (#17148740)
Exactly, swatting DOESN'T exist outside the U.S. (save a rare counterexample).

Cops in my country aren't great, but they don't do this, ever.

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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:04PM (#17147780)
Wouldn't it make more sense to reduce the incentive to commit the crime, rather than increase punishment?

Ramping up punishments doesn't seem to deter criminals, and study after study seems to confirm this.

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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by zaphar on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:13PM (#17147898)
The best solution is to do both. Increase punishment and also reduce incentive. They aren't mutually exclusive.
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by rhacker on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:10PM (#17147858)
Sure, but I think that's a larger issue than SWATTING, right wouldn't that comment apply to all crime in general. If you can point me to the studies and what exactly is proposed to deter crime without punishment I'm all ears :)
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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:16PM (#17147935)
https://nij.gov/five-things/pages/deterrence.aspx

> 4. Increasing the severity of punishment does little to deter crime.

My point is that if SWAT teams stop shooting random people going for a walk, they'll stop being used as weapons.

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Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack by hinkley on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:07PM (#17147826)
It's doesn't suck. It's murder.
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