Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack
by almost_usual on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:01PM
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Had a childhood friend whose dad got his face blown off by a shotgun during one of these searches.
It’s easy to be an armchair expert on an Internet forum, whole different world when at the scene.
Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack
by ceejayoz on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:06PM
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> whole different world when at the scene
That works both ways.
Sometimes, it's better to make national law enforcement policies when not pumping with adrenaline at the scene of a tense scenario.
Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack
by sangnoir on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:19PM
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> If you're doing a cordon and search, which is very roughly equivalent to what SWAT does, you shoot if you see weapons.
Looks to me like the military has less itchy trigger-fingers. The man was outdoors, and they didn't see any weapons.
Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack
by zzzcpan on Thursday May 24, 2018 @04:23PM
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For military this would be a war crime.
Re:Three Charged in Fatal Kansas ‘Swatting’ Attack
by emodendroket on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:54PM
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OK. That's not the situation here.
No, there are different ROEs depending on the situation. "Don't fire unless fired upon" applies to a checkpoint or other defensive situation.
If you're doing a cordon and search, which is very roughly equivalent to what SWAT does, you shoot if you see weapons.
The process to clear a room is a team (typically of four) stacks against the door, breaches the door, and then the goal is to get into the room and eliminate targets in your assigned sector.
You absolutely would fire preemptively because when you're going into a room there's just no time to wait, and you're relying on speed and ferocity to overcome the fact that you just dived into a room.
Now, all that said, that's also why you want to do that sort of thing as little as possible.
Source: US Army doctrine and training as combat arms. Thankfully never had to do one myself...