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Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by naasking on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:32PM (#17146893)
> Constantly I walk toward an intersection where, if I kept going for three more seconds, I would be pasted to the street by a passing car.

These autonomous systems are evaluating surrounding vectors every few milliseconds. A timescale of 3 seconds simply isn't important, as they would instantly detect you slowing down and conclude that you wouldn't intersect with their vector.

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by dpark on Thursday May 24, 2018 @02:56PM (#17147133)
You have missed the entire context here.

> But why didn't it brake from t minus 6 to t minus 1.3? Looks like it detected that the car's and object's paths were converging, so why didn't it brake during that interval?

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by naasking on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:32PM (#17147458)
You're missing the context of this thread. The software in the Uber car has a clear failure condition. That has nothing to do with whether it's possible to infer such vector collisions without jerky driving, which is the point I'm addressing.
Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by dpark on Thursday May 24, 2018 @09:57PM (#17150053)
The question was why the car doesn’t brake early. “Because scanning every few milliseconds” is not an answer. Scanning frequency is irrelevant to the fact that emergency braking is not a reasonable strategy in general.

Safe driving often does require slowing down in the face of insufficient information. If a human driver sees an inattentive pedestrian about to intersect traffic, they will slow down. “Drive until collision is unavoidable” is a failing strategy.

And anyway, jerky driving is a symptom of late braking, not early braking.

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by bonesss on Friday May 25, 2018 @03:12AM (#17151318)
> And anyway, jerky driving is a symptom of late braking, not early braking.

I see it as more than just jerkyness, I see a massive safety issue in traffic. If your autonomous car is slamming on the brakes spontaneously there's a lot more opportunities for other drivers to plow into you from behind.

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by naasking on Friday May 25, 2018 @12:01AM (#17150512)
> The question was why the car doesn’t brake early.

No it's not, the issue was jerky driving.

> “Drive until collision is unavoidable” is a failing strategy.

No kidding.

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by sdhgaiojfsa on Thursday May 24, 2018 @03:45PM (#17147602)
They can't detect me slowing down before I start slowing down. So if it's t-4 until impact and I'm still moving at full speed, they would need to start braking now if they can't stop in 4s (assuming the worst case that I continue on my current trajectory).

That being said, I'm happy to find my assumptions about stopping time are incorrect and a car traveling at 25mph can stop in less than a second. So on busy NYC streets this wouldn't be an issue. Even at 50mph it appears that stopping time is sub 3s, so the vehicle could probably have avoided this collision if it were running a more intelligent program.

Re:Uber Self-Driving Car That Struck Pedestrian Wasn’t Set t... by naasking on Friday May 25, 2018 @12:03AM (#17150518)
> They can't detect me slowing down before I start slowing down. So if it's t-4 until impact and I'm still moving at full speed, they would need to start braking now if they can't stop in 4s (assuming the worst case that I continue on my current trajectory).

Right, collision is basic physics accounting for the stopping time and distance of pedestrians and cars. So the question is whether pedestrians on sidewalks really have so many collision vectors with traffic such that autonomous vehicles would be jerky all of the time as the initial poster suggested.

I claim reasonable defaults that would far outperform humans on average wouldn't have that property. Autonomous vehicles should be programmed to follow the rules of the road with reasonable provisions to avoid collisions when possible.