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Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by hedora on Friday May 18, 2018 @10:48AM (#17101883)
On complexity vs sophistication: During the cold war, a US company noticed the USSR had stolen the plans for a natural gas pipeline system, but not the software.

In response, the US introduced an integer overflow bug that was uptime dependent, and took something like 6 months to hit. The bug simultaneously cranked up the pumps and closed all the valves in the network.

It was known that the Soviet economy would crash in under a year without the ability to cheaply move natural gas, so they couldn’t test long enough to find this.

A year or so later, the DoD’s seismographs detected the largest non-nuclear explosion in human history.

The main impact wasn’t the explosion or the short-term economic damage. The main impact was that the USSR stopped trusting stolen software, which set them way further back, economically and militarily.

Arguably, that ~one line of code was infinitely more sophisticated than stuxnet.

Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by burger_moon on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:07AM (#17102053)
Wow I have never heard this story before! I had to look it up, for anyone else interested here's a quick wiki about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_pipeline_sabotage
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by lawnchair_larry on Saturday May 19, 2018 @04:05PM (#17109494)
This didn’t actually happen, but it makes a good story that is often repeated.

http://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2012/06/myth-of-cia-and-tran...

Also, this story seems to be taking on a life of its own. You have some details that were not in previous rounds. Integer overflow based on uptime was not in the original unverified story.

Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by jespern on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:00AM (#17101992)
Do you have a source for this? I can only find reports from "At the Abyss", which are uncorroborated.
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by gregw2 on Saturday May 19, 2018 @01:53PM (#17108909)
somewhat described in the book Victory, by Peter Schweizer
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by howox on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:43PM (#17105198)
How do you even define sophistication in context of computer software? Let me try by defining the opposite. What would be unsophisticated computer program? I would say it is brute force algorithm. It is unsophisticated because it uses simple logic and iterative approach to achieve aim in inefficient manner. So sophisticated program is:concise(non-iterative), efficient (doesnt use too many steps to arrive at destination) and uses non-simplistic modeling of given problem. Anyone has anything better :)?
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by jocro on Friday May 18, 2018 @01:32PM (#17103290)
Do you have a link to more info? Would love to read more but can't seem to find anything.
Re:The Stuxnet worm may be the most sophisticated software e... by Lionsion on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:45AM (#17102376)
> On complexity vs sophistication: During the cold war, a US company noticed the USSR had stolen the plans for a natural gas pipeline system, but not the software.

I think this account might be a bit wrong. The one I read said that the CIA acquired a "shopping list" of Western technology that the USSR wanted to acquire. It included the pipeline control software, so they arranged for a trojaned version to become available to the Soviet shoppers.

Apparently this was a pretty common Soviet activity. Their electronics technology was behind the West's, in general. IIRC, many US semiconductor designs has little cartoons on the dies to taunt the Soviet reverse engineers.