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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by fcbrooklyn on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:15PM (#17097509)
Indeed. And the prohibition on raw milk does not ban cheese. Many cheeses from France are still available, because they do not involve raw milk. The EU has passed a law, perhaps it is a worthwhile law. This is one of the consequences. The ban on raw milk in cheese making exists thanks to (presumably) the best intentions, and the end result is that there are many cheeses I would like to buy, that I cannot. An American (unlike me) who supports such a ban rejoices in the fact that we are protected from these dangerous french cheeses. Perhaps you rejoice that you are protected from the dangerous GDPR non-compliant Monal.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by mpweiher on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:17AM (#17099888)
> the prohibition on raw milk does not ban cheese.

It bans "raw-milk cheese", which is a distinct kind of product, not one way of many to make a particular product ("cheese"). If you ban raw milk, you ban certain types of product entirely, and there is no workaround.

It would be like saying a prohibition on planes does not ban automobiles, and after all, both are a kind of vehicle. True, but not really relevant.

Back to the GDPR case, it's closer to a producer of pasteurized-milk-cheese saying they are going to get out of the cheese business altogether because of the ban on raw-milk-cheese, and labeling their cheese as such and documenting however briefly that the cheese is made out of pasteurized milk is just too much effort, and they are afraid of being sued by people claiming it is raw-milk-cheese.

Whatever.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by esrauch on Saturday May 19, 2018 @07:08AM (#17107373)
No analogy is perfect. In this case, there are questions that legitimately have no definitive answer (like what is "large scale"), so it is more like the cheese maker genuinely doesn't know whether their milk would be audited as raw-milk or not, and even if they consult with a lawyer they still don't have confidence that they would know.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by pvg on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:37PM (#17097645)
Running further with a bad analogy doesn't make the analogy any better or more relevant to the GP comment.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by fcbrooklyn on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:41PM (#17097656)
Apologies, I genuinely don't understand this critique.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by pvg on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:54PM (#17097720)
GDRP doesn't ban the milk from which messengers are churned at the messenger mills either.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by fcbrooklyn on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:24PM (#17097903)
Still in the dark mate. I'm sorry, maybe it's me, maybe it's you, but we seem to be speaking a different language.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by pvg on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:40PM (#17097983)
It's you. The original comment says 'The author of Monal misunderstands/misrepresents the regulation and is throwing a silly tizzy'. To which you say 'some laws ban some things. also, cheese is made of milk'. These things are true but not related to the GDRP or messengers.
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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jonathanstrange on Friday May 18, 2018 @04:53AM (#17099762)
There are literally no costs for complying if you sell or give away a messenger app, unless you're leaving everything unencrypted or collect tons of unrelated private data, too.

If they sell private information gathered from that messenger app to undisclosed third parties, then there may be additional costs of compliance.

Maybe this developer is complaining because he's running a nefarious business model? In that case it might indeed be easiest for him to shut down his business in the EU.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by pvg on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:20PM (#17098427)
The original comment is about the proportionality of the response, the choice the author is making and what the commenter thinks about it. When something is banned outright, there is no choice and no proportionality. So, no, it's not particularly responsive nor analogous.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by monkeywork on Friday May 18, 2018 @12:05AM (#17098608)
Same as the ban on the cheese wasn't a ban on "cheese" it was a ban on "cheese made with this manner" the regulations being shown here aren't a ban on "collecting/using personal information" it's a ban on "collecting/using personal information this manner"

Again cost / benefit is always a valid choice to operate somewhere.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by pvg on Friday May 18, 2018 @04:19AM (#17099576)
The conversation was about whether the response was proportionate to (what the commenter felt was) a small imposition. You can't just change the degree of imposition from a small one to a really severe one and then claim it's 'the same'. It's only the same if you possess the enviable mental quickness to find not-the-same things the same. You're right that I don't.

If you cancel an appointment because you stubbed your toe, many people will consider that response unreasonable. If you did it because a pterodactyl flew in and bit off your head, lightning thought process and all, fewer people would.