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Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by ricardobeat on Thursday May 17, 2018 @05:47PM (#17096261)
I'm sure the person you're replying to is also talking in the 'rightful' sense. While the data collected technically belongs to you, it can still be a privacy violation. This is extremely important on the web where it's very easy to share that data, make it public or accidentally leak it.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by wilsonnb on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:14PM (#17097016)
It can be a privacy violation but the idea of a fundamental right to privacy is not universally supported like free speech.

If it is a fundamental right, how far does it go? Should I be able to sue you for watching me walk in a public place? Photographing me? Video taping me? What about a privately owned but still public place?

There are a lot of questions here that I think people tend to skip over about users owning information about them and being able to control it.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by lovich on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:31PM (#17097142)
There are lots of laws against following someone and observing/recording every move they make.

Making some observations out your window of cars passing by is something no one ever had a problem with. Taking down every single identifier you could and coordinating with others to track that person, for a profit, is something that would not be kosher in meat space.

Why this different just because it's on a computer?

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by wilsonnb on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:59AM (#17101485)
The laws you talk about are, I think, laws about stalking. I'm not aware of any laws that apply to that kind of thing if it happens on a massive scale. Singling someone out is an important part of stalking.

Keeping detailed information about everyone that enters your store isn't illegal, as far as I know. Especially not information that is gained from observation (what color shirt they're wearing, their IP address) and information that is submitted willingly (their name given for a reservation at a restaurant, their username).

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jimmaswell on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:51PM (#17097306)
Would any of that actually be illegal in "meat space" as long as it didn't qualify as harassment?
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by lovich on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:15PM (#17097505)
Would any data collection on the "internet" actually be illegal as long as it didn't qualify as illegal data collection?

That's the whole point of the law is to say it's illegal, the same way laws made stalking people illegal

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by s73v3r_ on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:56PM (#17097349)
I'm sorry, but I cannot buy the argument that this is in any way, shape, or form related to "free speech".
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by wilsonnb on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:44AM (#17101363)
I wasn't trying to say it was - I was simply saying that when you base an argument on free speech, you don't have to explain why free speech is a good thing because it's generally accepted by everyone to be a good thing.

In this case, a lot of people base their argument on a fundamental right to privacy which is not generally accepted by everyone and therefore it has to be explained because it's an important part of the discussion.

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jimmaswell on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:04PM (#17097409)
Free speech of a webmaster being infringed by not allowing them to repeat information that their users gave them. Easy.
Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by s73v3r_ on Saturday May 19, 2018 @12:59PM (#17108669)
Nope. That is not a free speech issue. It is an irresponsible business issue.

Also, no one who actually does this stuff for a living uses the term "webmaster".

Re:GDPR: Removing Monal from the EU by jimmaswell on Sunday May 20, 2018 @10:06PM (#17115759)
>Also, no one who actually does this stuff for a living uses the term "webmaster".

Have I been hallucinating my workplace this whole time?