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Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by drak0n1c on Thursday May 17, 2018 @04:09PM (#17095118)
People used to have many more kids regardless of whether they were facing good or bad times. I'd say the change is less economic and more due to culture - both men and women want less kids.

There is economics in the cultural change - as people get wealthier and government welfare becomes more reliable the forces behind maintaining and growing the family decreases. Wealthy people in the past still had many more kids than they do now though, so there's probably a bigger explanation.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by magduf on Thursday May 17, 2018 @04:52PM (#17095620)
I'd say it's because of two things: 1) the invention of reliable birth control (namely The Pill), and 2) the rise of women to equal citizenship status with men, instead of basically being slaves used for breeding.

Women are the ones who have to sacrifice the most for children, so now that they have a choice, they don't do it nearly as much: some have none, others only have 1 or 2 and they've had enough. For replacement rate, every woman needs to have 2.1 kids on average, and not nearly enough women want to have 3+ kids to make up for all the women having fewer (which also includes infertile women don't forget).

And also with men and women being much more equal, men are expected to invest much more effort in child-rearing now, instead of just banging their wives and then letting them deal with the consequences while they do other stuff with their time. Well they don't want to deal with 6 kids either, and many don't want to deal with any.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by erik_seaberg on Friday May 18, 2018 @12:59AM (#17098828)
Kids used to be cheap farm labor who eventually became your retirement plan. Now that nobody has land, child labor is forbidden, and "free-range parenting" is all but negligence, parenthood is a nearly unaffordable hobby.
Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by robotrout on Thursday May 17, 2018 @04:16PM (#17095220)
The idea that a population must expand in perpetuity is an idea that is obviously flawed to apply to any finite nation. Given the oncoming tide of automation, it seems doubly flawed.

It should be acceptable for any population to ebb and flow, as changes in internal and external forces occur. Deciding to import warm bodies because your economic ponzi appears to require it seems like short term thinking. It would be better if the ponzi itself was addressed and the population allowed to ebb for awhile.

People are easy to attract to your country when you really need them ... unless you've managed to make that country undesirable.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by user5994461 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:24PM (#17096620)
You forget the most basic fact. We understand how children are made now, or not made.

It may sound stupid but it was not obvious a hundred years ago. The wife is pregnant again, well, must be an act of god.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by loggedinmyphone on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:28PM (#17096649)
You have a remarkable conception of what life was like a hundred years ago.
Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by user5994461 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:46PM (#17096799)
Well, try talking to your grandparents or beyond. It was a different time.

Try to imagine. There is no google search to find out how to make children. The closest library is far away and it's not that common to go to school and learn to read. That leaves you with the opinions of the family, the neighbors and the priest, who don't know much either and offer contradictory explanations.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by krapp on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:01PM (#17096914)
>Try to imagine. There is no google search to find out how to make children. The closest library is far away and it's not that common to go to school and learn to read. That leaves you with the opinions of the family, the neighbors and the priest, who may not know much either and offer different tales.

I have to assume you're trolling, but to be charitable, here[0] is the Wikipedia article on the history of birth control. It starts in 1800 BC with ancient Egyptian writings describing the use of acacia and honey as a spermicide.

People knew where babies came from way before the internet.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_birth_control

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by mmt on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:54PM (#17097335)
> People knew where babies came from way before the internet.

I think you missed the GP's primary point. Just because someone in the entire world had the requisite knowledge might mean nothing at all to another someone a mere few hours of travel away, let alone on the other side of the world.

That's why written language was such a huge invention[1]. Then the printing press. Then the telegraph, radio, and telephone. Finally, the Internet. I'm sure I missed a few, but you get the idea.

[1] A moment of silence for the Libary at Alexandria, please

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by krapp on Friday May 18, 2018 @09:33AM (#17101279)
Sex and procreation can be found throughout recorded human history, regardless of locale. In mythology (from Zeus boning anything that moved to "be fruitful and multiply" to the Immaculate Conception and numerous creation myths besides), religious teachings regarding sex being for procreation and not mere pleasure, laws governing property rights, inheritance and royal succession, in literature, in plays and songs, in fairy tales and old wives' tales, etc.

For example, here's an article on Samuel Pepys and a sexual manual from 1680 which quite clearly demonstrates that the nature of carnal knowledge was generally known at the time[0]. Along with death and mortal fear, sex and birth comprises one of the archetypal constants of the human experience. It's everywhere. It also happens to be knowledge that's necessary to continue the species, which humans have proven quite good at.

I guarantee that our parents knew how babby was formed, as did their parents, as did their parents, etc. Even our hominid ancestors before the formation of language understood it, because even animals understand it at an instinctive level.

[0]http://theappendix.net/posts/2013/06/this-misterie-of-fuckin...

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by mmt on Friday May 18, 2018 @12:52PM (#17102940)
I'm pretty sure neither I, nor the comment to which I was replying was referring to the knowledge (or ignorance) of the link between sex and pregnancy. At least in general.

The problem for something like contraception, which is the context here, is in understanding the details. Those details are sorely lacking in plays, songs, fairy tales, and old wives' tales.

> It also happens to be knowledge that's necessary to continue the species

No knowledge is actually necessary, as mere ignorant performance of the act is sufficient.

Re:US Births Dip to 30-yr Low; Fertility Rate Sinks Further ... by loggedinmyphone on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:04PM (#17097407)
Right, just because some proto-scientist in a primitive ivory tower had observed two goats fucking, doesn't mean the common person had access to that kind of knowledge.