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Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay

I just launched my new startup, and was hoping for some feedback. It's a micropayments site based around selling digital content, with a focus on making it dead simple for sellers to set up.

https://www.rubypay.com

( 24 comments | 14 points | on HN )
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by byoung2 on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:30PM (#1709683)
RubyPay has zero transaction fees.

I like the way you've worked around the transaction fee issue by offering different rates for buying and redeeming. The cheapest points are $0.00769 to buy and redeeming gets you $0.00667. So, on average, for every $57.69 coming in (or more, if people buy in smaller amounts), you're paying out $50, plus any interest you earn on parked balances.

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jacquesm on Monday September 20, 2010 @02:37PM (#1709982)
Hey there, great initiative, make sure that you get approval to run a 'wallet system' or you could find yourself in a ton of trouble. Maintaining a balance on behalf of customers comes with a ton of responsibilities, in the EU you would be considered a bank.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by spylogic on Monday September 20, 2010 @02:54PM (#1710049)
Even if it's these elusive "points"?
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by byoung2 on Monday September 20, 2010 @03:20PM (#1710145)
It's basically the same setup as iStockPhoto. There, you buy "credits" for some arbitrary exchange rate that you can use to buy photos from other members, who then exchange the points for payouts. There is a period of time where the credits are bought and not used for purchase, and a time where they are used but not redeemed. There are plenty of businesses who handle this without a problem, so I doubt he'll have trouble setting it up.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jacquesm on Monday September 20, 2010 @03:21PM (#1710150)
No, that's definitely not the same. There is no potential for fraud and / or tax evasion and / or money laundering in that situation. With a wallet system you have those in spades.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by byoung2 on Monday September 20, 2010 @05:27PM (#1710564)
Actually, it's exactly the same. In both systems, I deposit my money with the company (RubyPay or iStockPhoto) in exchange for a certain amount of points/credits. They hold onto my money until I buy something. On iStockPhoto I buy a few pictures, on RubyPay maybe I buy access to a premium blog post. The points are transferred from my account to the seller's account. The seller then redeems the points/credits for a payout by check.

Is there a difference between the two that I missed (besides the fact that iStockphoto screens submissions)?

There are ample opportunities for fraud on both sites. For example, say I'm a drug dealer and I need to collect illicit funds from customers. I could post a digital image on iStockphoto and require my customers to buy it before I give them the drugs. Or if I already had a stack of cash I needed to clean I could set up fake accounts to buy my own images, and pay taxes on the profit.

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jacquesm on Monday September 20, 2010 @05:30PM (#1710570)
That must be why VISA has explicitly forbidden stock photo bureaus from using their cards without special permission in their merchant account contracts.

Oh, wait, that was wallet systems after all...

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by byoung2 on Monday September 20, 2010 @07:21PM (#1710854)
So maybe both RubyPay and iStockphoto fall into the same category that is quite different from wallet systems? A category that includes sites that use virtual currency, but don't store your VISA credentials for future purchases.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jacquesm on Monday September 20, 2010 @09:08PM (#1711095)
RubyPay is - as far as I can see at this moment - a textbook example of a wallet system, and iStockphoto is a typical example of a pre-pay system.

The public could not pay each other using iStockphoto points, it's stricly a one-way street where the photographers get an automatic payment based on the number of credits worth of stuff that got sold. They're not going to go and re-use their credits to buy other stuff.

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by byoung2 on Monday September 20, 2010 @09:55PM (#1711184)
iStockphoto points, it's stricly a one-way street where the photographers get an automatic payment based on the number of credits worth of stuff that got sold

That's what RubyPay describes here: https://www.rubypay.com/pages/points. If I sell 7500 points worth of whatever, I get $50. The only difference between the two is that RubyPay lets you prepay for an arbitrary service, not just stock photography.

They're not going to go and re-use their credits to buy other stuff.

On iStockPhoto, you can use the credits you earn to buy other items. RubyPay doesn't make it clear whether points you earn can be used to buy other services or whether they have to be redeemed for a check. iStockPhoto looks more like a wallet system than RubyPay actually.

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jacquesm on Monday September 20, 2010 @03:05PM (#1710091)
Points bought and redeemable for cash that you can use to pay people are money, period.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by dangrossman on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:35PM (#1709716)
How much time have you spent with lawyers and consultants on your verbiage, terms and agreements with payment processors? The thing that worries me about any new payment startup is whether they've covered all the right bases... if they haven't, they can be out of business overnight when they realize what they missed. It's a fine line between selling points and factoring (processing payments on behalf of another business), where factoring is contractually forbidden in almost every merchant account and 3rd party processor contract.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by chrisclark1729 on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:14PM (#1709599)
You should really find a way to incentivize people who want to pay to join the site. I can't even figure out how to join as a payer, let alone a reason why I should.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by sgoraya on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:44PM (#1709755)
I agree - A 'buy RubyPoints' image/link might be desirable; and similarly to parent comment, what is the major incentive here? What site(s) currently offers redemption of Rubypoints?

> Thanks for the suggestion, for now if you'd like to see what a paid link looks like: https://www.rubypay.com/i/9c7wfUo4ACZ

Rather than having to sign-in to view how a transaction is done, can you have a demo page that includes 'dummy' rubypoints that can be redeemed to view a pdf/mp3 - for me, it would help make a decision about whether the service is useful or not.

In general, cool idea! I'm just the type of person that would like to see the service in action without having to login/create an account first.

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by rubypay on Monday September 20, 2010 @08:27PM (#1710995)
I added a demo area for you, hope it gives you a better idea of how the app works.

https://www.rubypay.com/pages/demo

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by rakkhi on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @05:52AM (#1712013)
+ points: Like the simplicity, if customer experience is good I would definitely try this for my blog

- points: Need to support more payment options e.g. Paypal and Google checkout. No way am I putting my credit card into your application. If you are storing these details I also hope you know you have to be PCI-DSS compliant Small bug: edit profile to add address etc gives you an error because the change password verification box is empty

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by unohoo on Monday September 20, 2010 @12:56PM (#1709504)
If you setup a demo site with sandboxed transactions, it will be very useful for publishers to evaluate quickly if they'd want to use your service.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by rubypay on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:08PM (#1709561)
Thanks for the suggestion, for now if you'd like to see what a paid link looks like: https://www.rubypay.com/i/9c7wfUo4ACZ
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by jlogic77 on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:02PM (#1709531)
It's a good idea. I like the idea that this can get around the high transaction costs per transaction, but the points system is a little confusing. The one line of code thing is cool and should be easy to get publishers to try it.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by f7u12 on Monday September 20, 2010 @10:37PM (#1711264)
I could see myself using your service to charge monthly for access to a webapp. Do you have any plans for that, so that a user has to pay only once per month instead of each click? Apologies if that is already in place.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by rubypay on Monday September 20, 2010 @10:58PM (#1711309)
Subscriptions are not available yet, but they will be in a few weeks. Just to clarify, the user does not pay per click, but rather per link. If a user has already paid for a link, clicking the link a second time will forward the user to the correct content.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by andrewtbham on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @01:36AM (#1711589)
what's the phrase... content drives adaption... you are going to need some very compelling content providers to make this work.

have you considering to find a niche of content that people might pay for? istockphoto does seem like a relevant example... there are also lots of niche services that people pay for... like elance, 99designs, trada...

Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by rubypay on Tuesday September 21, 2010 @06:17PM (#1714312)
Thanks for everyone's feedback. I've closed the service.
Re:Ask HN: Review my micropayments startup, RubyPay by Concours on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:02PM (#1709529)