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Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:39AM (#17091631)
Could they create a way to host a service at your home for direct connect from the app so connectivity doesn’t rely on a cloud service? Sure. Most consumers don’t care though. I certainly don’t care. This is the first major Nest outage I can remember. It would take continued intermittent outages for me to re-evaluate my Nest devices at my homes.

Either a cloud app is going to go out, or my home internet is going to go out. I don’t expect 100% uptime because I’m realistic, and expecting non-cloud infra devices with no time commitment is a pipe dream.

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by amluto on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:43AM (#17091667)
I had the impression that this capability was a hard requirement for HomeKit support. Go Apple.
Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by lstamour on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:44AM (#17091674)
... or batteries run out. That's happened twice for me with when I'm only using a smart lock occasionally.
Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by mynameisvlad on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:54AM (#17091786)
Not an issue with smart thermostats, their batteries are constantly charged through the wiring.

Plus, if your batteries run out, then you wouldn't be able to change the temperature anyway. You have far bigger problems than the device being online only.

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by reaperducer on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:39AM (#17092256)
>Could they create a way to host a service at your home for direct connect from the app so connectivity doesn’t rely on a cloud service?

I believe that's how Apple does it. The local host device is either an AppleTV, or an iPad.

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by socrates666 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:43AM (#17091671)
How do you feel knowing that you are being watched?
Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:44AM (#17091680)
Unphased. I only have thermostats and smoke detectors.
Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by reaperducer on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:41AM (#17092282)
Great data for getting your insurance rates raised.

All it takes is for Snake Farm to pay to find out how many times your smoke detector goes off. Or even if it doesn't fully go off, how often it senses anything.

With your thermostat data, it's possible to build a profile of when you're home and away. Hmmm... he seems to work an overnight shift. Better jack up his premium!

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by kevinh on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:48AM (#17092346)
If companies do start charging different amounts based on smart device data, it will most likely be discounts from an increased premium (which you wouldn't get without smart devices) rather than increases in fees due to usage behavior.

So in your case, better buy that smart device.

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by reaperducer on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:56PM (#17093682)
>If companies do start charging different amounts based on smart device data

Companies already do: https://www.progressive.com/auto/discounts/snapshot/

In this case, Progressive gives you a discount in exchange for monitoring you.

But I've seen articles where other insurance companies (often in the UK for some reason) raise rates for things as seemingly innocuous as posting the wrong thing, or being "friends" with the wrong people on social media.

Re:Reports from Nest Secure customers who are unable to arm/... by toomuchtodo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:48PM (#17092999)
This is a public policy issue, not a technical issue.