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Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by Lewton on Thursday May 17, 2018 @06:03AM (#17090045)
It's just materialism taken to its logical conclusion. We're just a bunch of atoms bumping into each other in a way that fools ourselves into believing that we're a cohesive entity.

Ever been tired and run on autopilot? Our experience of ourselves vary in strength all the time. If I'm really really honest with myself, I don't actually have the experience of qualia all the time

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by sireat on Friday May 18, 2018 @06:07AM (#17100163)
What's your solution to finding medium term (5-10 years) motivation?

The more I read on cognitive science (Strange Loop was the first and then you understand what was behind GEB) the more I concur with your view. It is depressing though.

For short term daily tasks, one can depend on routines.

For longer planning the implications are horrifying if there is no qualia in the sense that we think of it.

It's just like with nihilism, it might be "true" but it is not very productive.

At best it leads to Vito Corleone type of ethics, ie tribalism, I'll take care of my family/village, but woe to the outside world.

At worst it leads to Michael Corleone actions, ie screw everyone besides yourself.

Where do you get joy in life if Dennett turns out to be right?

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by alexmat on Friday May 18, 2018 @05:02PM (#17104929)
I can only speak for myself, but I find joy in living vicariously through others who don't contemplate existential issues. Sometimes I can spend a day just hanging out with my cat watching him do random things with sincerity. Sometimes I envy him.

As far as medium term motivation, guilt, fear and debt seems to work for most people regardless of philosophical disposition.

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by RobertoG on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:43AM (#17090472)
>>"If I'm really really honest with myself, I don't actually have the experience of qualia all the time"

That's is what you say, but how can we know that you are not a conscious being imitating a p-zombie? ;-)

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by Lewton on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:04AM (#17091291)
We can't :)

So I'm going for the one that requires the least magic