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Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by some_account on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:20AM (#17088933)
You got it all backwards. What you think is a crack in sanity is actually a crack in the illusion that the physical world is all there is.

But to each their own.

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by simplemts on Thursday May 17, 2018 @04:28AM (#17089705)
I love your comment =)

I love how people start panicking when their worldview is questioned, by themselves.

What's so wrong with an open mind? I was a firm 100% atheist and became a non-dualist because of my experiences. I'm still INCREDIBLY logical and scientific in 99.99999% of things (I'm a Data Scientist/Analyst for a living). But I will never, ever shake those experiences... once you get a glimpse of 'infinite', it tends to stay with you.

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by komali2 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @02:11AM (#17089144)
But drugs are a physical-world object exerting physical changes on a meat brain, causing perception shift.

How could something of the simulation let you "peek behind the curtain?"

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by monktastic1 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:21PM (#17092705)
Imagine you're in a dream. In that dream, eating a certain substance causes the dream to warp in funny ways. You could say this is a proof that the substance causes perception shift, but both the substance and the apparent world are being generated by something deeper. It is possible to know this directly (as in lucid dreaming). It may sound preposterous to suggest the same is happening here, but it's the best analogy I can think of.
Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by TheCoelacanth on Thursday May 17, 2018 @05:36PM (#17096143)
At a minimum, it has to completely shatter any notion that reality and your perception of reality are the same thing.
Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by lwhalen on Thursday May 17, 2018 @03:59AM (#17089604)
in a community of technologists, you've never heard of 'sudo privileges'? :-)
Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by JackFr on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:49AM (#17089048)
Indeed. Dogmatic materialism is the real mind-virus.
Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by akvadrako on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:19AM (#17090665)
It's not even scientific. Quantum mechanics seems to be how our world works and the only realist versions of it are very exotic, like predicting an infinite multiverse.
Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by tgamba on Thursday May 17, 2018 @11:50AM (#17092383)
Yes. Sticking only to the realm of hard science, the frontiers keep expanding (e.g. dark matter and energy). When it comes to our subjective perceptions and how the the brain assembles them into consciousness, we've barely a clue.

Scientific apparatuses have allowed us to "see" the complete elecromagnetic spectrum, the cell, the quasar... psychedelics may be an apparatus allowing us to see dimensions of reality heretofore unquantified.

Re:Michael Pollan reluctantly embraces the 'new science' of ... by JackFr on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:57PM (#17093694)
There are frequencies we can't hear -- impossible with the physical equipment nature has provided in our ears. But science and engineering have a means for both proving to us they really exist, and mangling them (with a kind of fidelity) into some sort of analogous experience. Similarly there are frequencies in the electromagnetic spectrum we cannot see. And microscopes, and telescopes and MRI's, and all the other wonders of our day take, which take a world that is impossible for use to sense directly and transform it into an analog we can sense.

So why do we cavalierly assume that our brains are physically capable of understanding all true things? What does a machine which transforms ideas which are literally inconceivable to our physical brains look like? What do the crude analogs of these inconceivable thoughts look like?

(I realize I've drifted far afield from the OP -- I don't mean to say that psychedelics are a window into true mysteries. But these discussions always seem to lead me down this path...)