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Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by commandlinefan on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:33PM (#17085690)
I've always wondered if a lot of "eccentric" people aren't just behaving the way everybody would naturally behave if they could get away with it. I say and do a lot of things because I have to if I want to have food to eat and a place to sleep, but I'll never know how different my behavior _might_ have been if I were rich enough or brilliant enough that people would just put up with whatever I happened to feel like doing at any given moment.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by majos on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @06:08PM (#17086883)
On a related note, I think this idea explains the appeal of smart jerk god characters (Doctor Who, Doctor House, Rick Sanchez, Sherlock Holmes...) to a sizeable portion of nerds (including me). "So smart they can't help but need you" is not a healthy goal, but damn if it isn't seductive.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by Ntrails on Thursday May 17, 2018 @05:38AM (#17089947)
To me it's not so much "So smart they can't help but need you", as it is "being right is more important than anything else". The world doesn't work like that (often), but it's an attractive ideal in some ways
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by dfee on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:56AM (#17088836)
I’d be considered eccentric. It’s not discipline or the lack thereof. There is a piercing focus that overwhelms the demands of normalcy.

But I won’t talk about me. I’ll talk about a friend of mine. He stepped away from his role with the US Gov’t and spent the last year wandering through Africa and Eastern Europe. I don’t concern myself with him having a roof over his head, because he always will. He just doesn’t define himself by living in SF and putting a roof over his head; nor does he bemoan what could have been. He just is.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by opinionator1 on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:57PM (#17098339)
^ Low-value humblebrag that adds nothing to the conversation.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by nur0n on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:56PM (#17085896)
Are people brilliant because they don't care or do they not care because they are brilliant? Seems to be a little of both...
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by azhu on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:53PM (#17086382)
Or perhaps brilliant people care a lot and just have the ability to pull it off so well that everyone else thinks they don't care. The real answer to how to be happy is not to not care how you affect others, it is to master your ability to affect them how you intend to. Those who recommend the "not giving a fuck" approach step on their own bootstraps given how large a fuck they give about not giving a fuck.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by vorpalhex on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:14AM (#17088907)
Not giving a fuck isn't the same as apathy. Today I spent an hour waiting for some poor chap to repin a simple lock at the hardware store - I didn't give a fuck that he was a bit clueless and flying by the seat of his pants - but if someone scammed me tomorrow I would absolutely jump into action.

There are things that don't matter (someone a bit clueless working earnestly) and things that do (scammers, violence, etc). The goal is to differentiate and respond appropriately.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by geezerjay on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:00AM (#17090257)
> Are people brilliant because they don't care or do they not care because they are brilliant? Seems to be a little of both...

IMHO, it's neither. If others want something from you then they pamper you to get what they seek, and the more indispensable you are the more they tolerate. Over time you feel no pressure to adapt your behaviour because those who deal with you feel compelled to adapt to you.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by kizer on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:22PM (#17086116)
I think I behave in an eccentric manner because I was raised by two liberal parents and am an only child. Although I always made friends just fine. I'm bright, but no genius. At least not yet. I often feel somehow that the eccentric behavior and intelligence are the result of a latent property, like some kind of general freedom of mind. Also I have (will inherit) some assets that generate money on their own. So I guess I can "get away" with it.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by anonytrary on Thursday May 17, 2018 @03:17AM (#17089424)
> I'm bright, but no genius. At least not yet.

Is your comment supposed to be satire? No one has ever said "When did they become a genius?" about someone who is considered a genius. I think, at least colloquially, genius is considered to be innate.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by proverbialbunny on Thursday May 17, 2018 @04:11AM (#17089643)
The brain physically changes in response to life's experiences. To dismiss life experience and believe genius is exclusively innate is a hard pill to swallow.

By understanding how a thing works, the more power one has to change it. Therefor, the better one understands their own intelligence, the more power they have to change their intelligence. However, being able to tease apart intelligence requires a high prerequisite intelligence, muddying the water between innate and not. In whole, I do not think intelligence is exclusively nature or nurture.

Asking someone, "When about do you think you became a genius?" is a great question. I might have to steal that one next time I bump into a genius offline.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by kizer on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:02AM (#17091284)
By that I meant that I haven't proved to be a genius so far. If I were to become a Nobel laureate in the future, people would see that I was a genius in retrospect.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by hyperpallium on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @09:50PM (#17088066)
power corrupts, or... powerlessness conceals?
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by baxtr on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @06:24PM (#17086964)
I catch myself often wanting to behave more eccentric, but then somehow societal laws keep pulling me back. I wish I had the guts (like Steve had) to be blunt to anyone
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by vkou on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @06:49PM (#17087100)
Steve was a huge asshole to a lot of people, when he had power over them. There's eccentric behaviour, and there is being a jerk. One's harmless, if odd - the other goes out of the way to ruin someone's day. You don't want to be the second one.

Consider the interaction between John Carmack and Steve Jobs that was posted the other day:

> One time, my wife, then fiancée, and I were meeting with Steve at Apple, and he wanted me to do a keynote that happened to be scheduled on the same day as our wedding. With a big smile and full of charm, he suggested that we postpone it. We declined, but he kept pressing. Eventually my wife countered with a suggestion that if he really wanted “her” John so much, he should loan John Lassiter to her media company for a day of consulting. Steve went from full charm to ice cold really damn quick. I didn’t do that keynote.

Do you really want to be remembered for anecdotes like that?

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by sullyj3 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @08:00PM (#17087451)
It doesn't take guts to be blunt to people you have power over.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by tluyben2 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @10:46PM (#17088323)
People that (potentially will) have power over you, often respect you being blunt to them. That does not make it easier as there is a significant group of egomaniacs that cannot stand it so you need to know who you have in front of you.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by hyperpallium on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @09:57PM (#17088097)
It's related to conformity. If you automatically, naturally and agreeably fit in with what everybody else does, you won't tend to think outside the orthodoxy.

But if you question everything, try to work things out from first principles, and wonder what happens if things are done differently... well, you're "eccentric", at best.

It seems logically possible for a person to be a perfect conformist socially, and a wild free-thinker intellectually, but it wouldn't usually happen that way.

https://xkcd.com/242/

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by RealityVoid on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:22AM (#17088696)
I honestly do not think that is the case. Using a sample size of one(me) I can tell you that while I'm very agreeable and sometimes too nice to people around me, when it comes to my opinion about things or digging for the truth, I will push and dig and (sometimes recklessly) support unpopular opinions, even if in the minority. I surely can't be that unusual.
Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by hyperpallium on Saturday May 19, 2018 @02:15AM (#17106880)
This is interesting. Voicing an unpopular opinion is not "agreeable", but if you can't ever act on your truth, you may as well not have ever had it.

My comment, in the context of yours, comes across as childishly excusing/justifying antisocial behaviour. I'm not sure what to thinkn= of that. But I just meant that tendencies tend to transfer.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by hyperpallium on Sunday May 20, 2018 @12:56AM (#17111305)
Here's the Psych 101 background to my view: people don't just pretend to conform, their perceptions conform https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

By its nature, it's hard to notice this in yourself. I like to think of myself as capable of independent thought. But when I've been solo camping for a few days, some of my perspective evaporates on contact with others, like a dream on waking. It's hard to even notice it leaving. I imagine they leave imperceptibly in daily life.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by RealityVoid on Sunday May 20, 2018 @04:52PM (#17114671)
That is an interesting experiment you highlighted. I was not aware of it. I will point out though that the group that did not want to seem out of step were seemed to be the lest numerous. So while agreeableness seems to have a certain correlation to independent thought I do no think that for the majority of people that is the main blocking point.

I think I know myself pretty well, better than most, and this allows me to make a pretty good guess about the way I would react. I think that if I were to answer wrongly to the Ash experiments, I would do so because of what is described in the Wikipedia entry as "distortion of judgment". This stems mostly from my view of the world and my belief that human observation, without aiding tools and methods of quantification, can be very unreliable. That applies for me as well, leading to poor confidence in my direct observation.

Thankfully, creating new ideas or solutions has several steps, observation being just one of them, another being the processing of the stimuli into the final idea. This, I consider, is where I am far better than the observation stage. Given a set of observations I arrive at a pretty complex solution and/or idea, and this is where most of my deviation from the norm usually stems. But I am aware of the possibility of mistaken input data of vicing this process, and forming the wrong conclusion because of it.

Anyways, sorry if I came of a bit arrogant, this was more of an introspection exercise and me musing and a little bit over-generalizing about the way people think.

Re:The myth of ‘mad’ genius by heavenlyblue on Friday May 18, 2018 @11:14AM (#17102118)
I believe if you're _really_ brilliant - then you are as aware of the beliefs of other people around as much as you're aware of the inherent truths you have discovered for yourself.

These two sometimes works together, against each other or are absolutely ambivalent to each other.

So the question of eccentricity becomes a question of how do you need to project yourself upon others.

"All the world's a stage" as they say.