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Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by heurist on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:04AM (#17082963)
I'm in the space as well. I've tried telling my congressmen but they ignore me. I'm waiting for the backlash, especially will all the recent privacy issues. It hasn't happened yet and the problem is so large that I honestly doubt whether the public will ever truly grasp what the scope.

The advice I always give when this topic comes up us to be very careful with what you install on your phone. The least expensive mobile location data tends to come from random apps collecting the data to sell it, and ad networks. Permission to use your GPS is permission to track you until you uninstall the app.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by ethbro on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @12:51PM (#17083962)
If you're willing to have your name attached to this, if / when it does finally blow up, please make an effort to talk to news organizations about who and when you initially reached out to congress people.

If you're not comfortable with your name being publicly attached, at least give news orgs the information and request confidentiality.

Part of the reason congress people can punt is that the cost of inaction < cost of action before it penetrates media.

A big part of shifting that equation is starting to publicize "You had all the information available now on X date and did nothing" as loudly as possible. Naming and shaming has been healthy for vulnerability disclosure.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by 88e282102ae2e5b on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:00PM (#17084072)
Are you able to send them a copy of their individual location data, or the location data of their staffers/friends/family? That might make for a potent wake up call. Though, you'd want to run that by an attorney first.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by lallysingh on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:13PM (#17084932)
Screw that. Put together a consumer stalking website, sell the data directly. Advertise, make tons of money, and let the outrage from that bring light to the entire industry.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by ZainRiz on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @05:25PM (#17086637)
And then be the only one sent to jail as the scapegoat for the rest
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by i_cant_speel on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:15AM (#17091364)
It's not illegal.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by api on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:40PM (#17093514)
Do it on the dark web.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by code_duck on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:31AM (#17088742)
Move to Myanmar first?
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by mygo on Thursday May 17, 2018 @09:54AM (#17091238)
To get initial traction, you can even call it “where’s waldo” to get the publicity of a trademark suit. go for broke — you’d be going to jail anyway once any meaningful legislation is put into place
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by lallysingh on Thursday May 17, 2018 @01:13PM (#17093218)
The point is to encourage legislation. So happily shut down on a pile of money.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by michaelt on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:10PM (#17092575)

  I'm in the space as well. I've tried telling my
  congressmen but they ignore me.
If you have hard evidence, forward it to the journalist or newspaper that broke a similar recent story, or whose reporting of that story you respected.

Maybe you can find a journalist you respect for their reporting on Cambridge Analytica, the Paradise Papers, Edward Snowden and so on?

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by mickael-kerjean on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:19PM (#17097049)
It's not that easy when you're not in their network. I've tried to contact a few journalists recently as I discovered twitter knows everything about youporn's user which considering their track record in term of security and the amount of politician in there could have some pretty bad effects.

It goes like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DczGQICUQAA9ljF.jpg

The domain "syndication.twitter.com" tracks everyone but the page says: "Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!". The point is I haven't been able to run the story so far

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by sfrancisbjr on Saturday May 19, 2018 @11:40PM (#17111072)
Seasoned cybersecurity journalists use Securedrop, Signal, Jabber and the U.S. mail to protect sources, among other tools.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by gcb0 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:45AM (#17083313)
that's only the low end. app gps usage shows up on the UI.

the article discusses when the ISP/telco sells the data that you have zero visibility on. there's no way to get around this.

btw, apple and google ad spyware process (google play service) will collect gps and wifi data without any user visible UI, not to mention download ads in the background.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by willstrafach on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:01PM (#17092489)
> btw, apple and google ad spyware process (google play service) will collect gps and wifi data without any user visible UI, not to mention download ads in the background.

Would be nice to see actual proof of this. I am very familiar with all network traffic an iOS device may emit and do not know what you are referring to here.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by sizzle on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:33PM (#17088505)
Thanks for the tip. I've made a habit of turning off location services on Android once I'm done using navigation (Waze), do you know if this sufficiently blocks all background tracking for apps I've consented to allow GPS location tracking? Thanks.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by spacemanmatt on Thursday May 17, 2018 @07:57AM (#17090542)
Carrying a cell transmitter allows them to triangulate your position. It's not as awesome as GPS but it still meets a lot of needs.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by Frondo on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:06PM (#17085978)
What about a state senator or representative? Could your state start enacting a privacy framework, that would apply to businesses that wanted to do business in your state? Sort of like California emissions for cars.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by hunter23 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:27PM (#17085085)
Can you name and shame the congressmen that ignore you?

Or can you make a tip to one of the newspapers? Given the facebook privacy news saga this might get picked up.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by criddell on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:52AM (#17090853)
I don't think naming and shaming will do anything, but maybe when somebody's location data embarrasses them, they will do something about it. I think a good analogy is the Video Privacy Protection Act.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by heurist on Thursday May 17, 2018 @02:02PM (#17093748)
I'm a liberal in Texas so being ignored by politicians is nothing new to me.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by apozem on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:02PM (#17085401)
Talk to a congressperson who knows about cyber like Ron Wyden.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by ethbro on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @06:06PM (#17086874)
FFS. "Cyber" is an adjective. Not a noun.

Just because the less-technically adept parts of the infosec community & even more hapless government workers wanted to sound cool doesn't suddenly make it right.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by King-Aaron on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @11:48PM (#17088564)
That's how colloquial language develops, however.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by ethbro on Thursday May 17, 2018 @08:29AM (#17090725)
This is true. But it doesn't make every new development an intelligent or useful one.

But then I also just enjoy responding with "Cyber what?" whenever someone uses it as a noun. The correlation between people who are asked and can then provide a relevant noun has not been high.

Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by d0lph on Thursday May 17, 2018 @10:44AM (#17091678)
Seems kinda useful, to group knowledge regarding computers & the internet, and how they impact other industries.
Re:US cell carriers are selling access to real-time phone lo... by Intermernet on Thursday May 17, 2018 @12:22AM (#17088698)
Language just got cybered.