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Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by hugh3 on Sunday September 19, 2010 @10:28PM (#1707528)
The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit combined with 1% right-for-the-wrong-reasons. That 1% does make it worth a look, though, and I personally have lost about 15 lb in the last twelve weeks by (more or less) following it. My BMI is down from 27.4 to 25.7, and I fully expect to get back into ideal weight range within another month or so.

I went into it extremely skeptical of almost all the claims, but what I did buy was the claim that you feel a lot more full after eating a meal of meat and vegetables than you do after a meal rich in grains and potatoes. So I tried it, and lo and behold I find it quite easy to eat as much as I feel like of all the allowed foods and still consume only ~2000 calories a day.

I also find that I no longer have any craving for anything sweeter than fruit, whereas I used to be able to talk myself into milkshakes and brownies with excessive frequency. I think it's a blood sugar effect -- all the food I eat is low in GI so I'm not getting the blood sugar spikes I used to. This effect might be specific to me personally, though.

The fact that the diet supposedly replicates what our distant ancestors ate is important only in that it at least guarantees that you're eating a subset of foods that are nutritionally sufficient.

Other side effects? None that I've noticed, neither good nor bad. It's possible I've felt a little bit more tired, but I can't be sure... and in any case that's not unexpected if you're maintaining a 500-calorie-a-day deficit.

I should also mention that I'm not quite strict paleo because I eat moderate amounts of dairy -- I'll be damned if I'm giving up milk in my coffee. Speaking of which, I'll be damned if I'm gonna give up coffee, which is also non-paleo. And I'm not one to panic if a salad happens to have croutons, or my fish happens to be crumbed. But breads, potatoes, sugar and beans/legumes are out (I don't buy the logic behind exclusion of beans, but I never really liked beans anyway).

In conclusion, it's not a miracle and it's not nearly as amazing as its most far-out proponents claim, but if you need to lose some weight it's worth trying out for a couple of weeks to see what happens (maybe your body chemistry is different to mine, so it might not work for you). If you don't need to lose weight I wouldn't recommend it, because frankly it's hard to eat enough paleo food to maintain weight while physically active. When I've lost enough I think I'll reintroduce grains at breakfast and maybe lunch but keep the paleo dinners.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by wvl on Sunday September 19, 2010 @11:53PM (#1707716)
99% bullshit, really? It sounds like its working pretty well for you.

> If you don't need to lose weight I wouldn't recommend it, because frankly it's hard to eat enough paleo food to maintain weight while physically active.

It's really not hard to get plenty of calories -- those calories are just more likely to come from fat. Make sure you get enough protein (~1g/lb bodyweight), eat lots of veggies, then fill up on fat sources -- coconut oil, animal fats, nuts, olive oil, etc.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by commandar on Sunday September 19, 2010 @11:41PM (#1707689)
You might be interested in looking into the PaNu approach to paleo.[1] The author of that blog puts a lot of emphasis on focusing on metabolism rather than, as he puts it, food reenactment. e.g., dairy isn't strictly paleo, but he acknowledges that it's an easy way to up fat intake without the type of ill effects that you're more likely to see from glutens.

Worth checking out anyway. It's certainly changed the way I approach nutrition, even if I haven't bought into the paleo thing wholesale.

>I think it's a blood sugar effect -- all the food I eat is low in GI so I'm not getting the blood sugar spikes I used to.

Definitely agree here. I've noticed a definite shift in appetite since I've made a point of limiting my intake of high GI foods.

[1] - http://www.paleonu.com/

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by logic on Monday September 20, 2010 @12:06PM (#1709310)
Harris' blog is entertaining to read, in my mind, because he's one of the few folks writing about this stuff that doesn't have a book and/or methodology he's trying to sell you. His "getting started" page is a refreshingly pragmatic list of ideas sorted by payoff potential for the reader, rather than for him or anything he has a vested interest in.

http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by tfinster on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:18AM (#1707875)
> The paleo diet is, I think, 99% bullshit

Would you mind expanding on which parts you find to be bullshit? I can't find any reasons in your current post.

> I don't buy the logic behind exclusion of beans

The logic behind not eating legumes (and dairy) is the same as the logic behind not eating grains: the adult human digestive tract is not capable of fully digesting these (e.g. the protein lectin in grains), causing gut irritation and ultimately causing autoimmunity and inflammation.

> When I've lost enough I think I'll reintroduce grains

Absolutely do! Only then is any nutritional experiment, Paleo or otherwise, complete. I would wager you will feel worse after reintroducing grains, but I would love to hear your results first hand.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by hugh3 on Monday September 20, 2010 @01:17PM (#1709622)
The parts I think are bullshit are the parts like

The logic behind not eating legumes (and dairy) is the same as the logic behind not eating grains: the adult human digestive tract is not capable of fully digesting these (e.g. the protein lectin in grains), causing gut irritation and ultimately causing autoimmunity and inflammation.

which as far as I know aren't sufficiently grounded in fact... they sound suspiciously post-hoc.

Absolutely do! Only then is any nutritional experiment, Paleo or otherwise, complete. I would wager you will feel worse after reintroducing grains, but I would love to hear your results first hand.

Well actually I did go back on grains and sugars the other week because I was in Japan. I didn't really notice much change to my well-being, except that I felt hungry and constantly craved sweet stuff. If there were other effects I can't deconvolve them from jetlag.

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by waivej on Monday September 20, 2010 @10:01AM (#1708808)
Your comment made me smile. This year I gave up sugar and processed grains and made some interesting observations.

1. Eating wheat seems to cause floaters in my eyes - but only processed wheat. I can eat all sorts of grains from the bulk bin and feel great. Eye doctors have told me they are natural but it got bad enough to make it hard to use a computer. Now I only remember them when I eat something like pizza or bread.

2. A friend from Switzerland won't eat flour in this country. She can't stand the smell (rancid) and grinds her own. She also keeps it in the freezer. It doesn't cause me trouble either.

3. My teeth have never felt cleaner. If I have processed flour or sugar, I actually feel the acid and can't brush them "clean". I've always wondered by natives have good teeth without brushing and modern humans have cavities.

4. I read that wheat has a long history of chemical processing (to get rid of the smut fungus). It makes me wonder if there is a correlation between pesticides/processing and food allergies. (My mom used to say that peanuts have the most pesticides in the US.)

Re: How to Keep Feces Out of Your Bloodstream (or Lose 10 Po... by logic on Monday September 20, 2010 @11:59AM (#1709278)
Number three is one of those odd things I noticed while "doing Atkins" (ie. significantly-reduced carbohydrate intake, increased fat and protein). It's really an astoundingly obvious change, too; after a day or two, your teeth feel like a coating has been cleaned off of them.

(Similarly, after eating anything in a bun now, I immediately notice how every tight spot in my teeth is suddenly caked with residue.)