Re:Changing emotions with a word: The subtleties of semiotics
by conistonwater on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:10AM
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That is definitely not what active voice and passive voice mean, they are relatively precise terms in linguistics, see for example Fear and Loathing of the English Passive by Geoffrey Pullum (http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/~gpullum/passive_loathing.pdf). Both I support the division... and I support dividing... are in active voice.
Re:Changing emotions with a word: The subtleties of semiotics
by brain5ide on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @01:22AM
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"The division is supported by me" would be an actual passive.
Re:Changing emotions with a word: The subtleties of semiotics
by conistonwater on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:21PM
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That doesn't sound grammatical to me, it doesn't sound like the sort of thing anybody would even try to say. I think it violates the rule that Pullum discusses in 2.4.2 p.8 (new-information condition) in that link.
Re:Changing emotions with a word: The subtleties of semiotics
by mikybee93 on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:44AM
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Not quite. I could say "I support colonizing mars" and "I support the colonization of mars" and those both mean the same thing, don't they? I'm not actively participating in either of those acts, am I?
I think a lot of it is implicit and context based. And maybe it's even based on personal interpretation, but even in your examples, I see those two sentences meaning the same thing.
Re:Changing emotions with a word: The subtleties of semiotics
by karmelapple on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @08:47AM
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"I support the division..." and "I support dividing..." both indicate support for the act of dividing, whether you have the authority of decide on whether or not the division is happening.
If I'm at a birthday party and there's one piece of cake left but three people still hungry, I could say "I support the division of the piece of cake" or "I support dividing the piece of cake" even if the person celebrating the birthday is the ultimate authority on whether we will divide the cake. I'd convey the same idea, just with slightly different words, and likely different intonation, too.
How can this research be done, then? Since the two sentences mean entirely different things, obviously people will react differently to them - they are not interchangeable, they have specific and different meanings!
"I support the division..."
and
"I support dividing..."
mean entirely different things. The first one is passive and indicates that the speaker/author is outside of the decision to divide\ and possible outside of the area itself.
The second one is active and implies that the speaker is going to be involved in the dividing activity itself.
Obviously the words will get different reactions from people because they mean different things. Without additional tests to query what the population understood the sentence to mean, along with how they feel about it, would make sense.
But as it is, this is like finding out that people react differently to "let's use fire" vs "lets use a blanket". They are totally different things.