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Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by FreeFull on Monday May 14, 2018 @06:29AM (#17064275)
There definitely is a problem with how long copyright lasts, and Disney is directly responsible for strongly lobbying to make it last longer.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by rdlecler1 on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:05AM (#17064716)
Counter argument: Would a movie like Star Wars lose it’s cultural value if anyone could make a star wars movie — creating so many rip-offs that the soul of the original was lost? I think Disney has been a good custodian of the franchise and might not have invested so much into it if they didn’t have that exclusivity.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by jerf on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:49AM (#17065470)
Personally, I'd be happy with a regime where copyright lasts, say, 20 years, but trademarks last as long as you are actively using them and defending them. This would mean that "Star Wars" would fall out of copyright, and anyone could sell Star Wars DVD/Blurays at whatever cost they like, could use the material in various creative ways at will, but nobody could actually make "Star Wars 24: The Cheap Sucking Cash Grab That's Totally The Next Star Wars, So Fork It Over Moviegoing Slobs". You'd have to call it something else that makes it very clear that it's not actually "Star Wars".

What Disney wants is to grab everything it can. Not that surprising. What it needs is to be able to protect its reputation and for its name brand to mean something. That does not require multi-century copyright terms... it requires trademarks.

Making me less happy, I'd be comfortable with a regime where copyrights expire after 10/20 years or something, but companies can indefinitely renew them on an exponentially-growing basis every decade or something, making companies have to decide whether they are actively using a property or whether it's more economical to just let it go. The major problem with the copyright term being so long isn't that it covers Steamboat Willie... the major problem is that it covers everything. An absurd amount of culture is not just tied up in copyrights, but copyrights that literally nobody knows where they reside, because who wants to track the rights to some kids book from 80 years ago carefully or something?

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by MikkoFinell on Monday May 14, 2018 @12:13PM (#17066696)
They already made the "Cheap Sucking Cash Grab..." back in 2015, and then its sequel in 2017. Next cash grab seems to be scheduled for 2019.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by rdlecler1 on Monday May 14, 2018 @10:46AM (#17065966)
I like the idea of a property tax on IP after a certain period of time. Maybe something based on revenue of the ultimate rights holder. Would be hard to escalate that tax from disuse however since you could trivially do something.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by jerf on Monday May 14, 2018 @11:01AM (#17066110)
I wouldn't escalate on disuse, just straight-up time. Exponential I chose to make it cheap to hold on to for a couple of decades, but by the time a company is claiming something for the 80th or 90th year, they better be doing something pretty darned awesome and profitable with it to justify keeping it out of the public domain.

And if they are... I really don't mind. I'm a bit less incensed at the fundamental idea of "culture being locked up"; if something is being maintained as Star Wars is, for instance, let Disney have it for as long as they can homestead it, basically. I'm personally far more aggrieved about the pile of stuff that nobody owns and nobody particularly wants, but is locked up because Disney wants to own Steamboat Willy. My pragmatic solution is to basically let them, but to do so with much, much less collateral damage.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by logfromblammo on Monday May 14, 2018 @12:35PM (#17066886)
Are you aware of all the Star Wars licensed books and artwork?

Even when other people gain the right to make derivative works, the cultural concept of canon separates certain works as authoritative from the mass of non-canonical fanfiction.

If Disney did not own copyright over the existing Monkey Island games, and trademarks on the Monkey Island characters and settings, a new game by the original creators of the game would almost certainly be received as canonical.

It would be like Tim Cain making another Fallout game, even though Bethesda owns the rights to the franchise now. Indeed, with both him and Feargus Urquhart together at Obsidian, one might argue that they have at least as much canon right to the franchise as Bethesda, who owns the actual legal rights. Similar with Fargo, Stackpole, and Danforth at inXile making Wasteland sequels, except they actually had to buy the rights to the trademarks. Or it would be like Meretzky making another Planetfall sequel, yet Activision has just been sitting on the rights to do that for decades.

The original rights have long been transferred to different corporate owners, in some cases several times.

There is definitely room to change copyright and trademark such that some rights are permanently invested in the individual contributors to a work, that cannot be quashed or transferred, regardless of work-for-hire status or corporate transfers. When a studio goes under and fires everyone, yet retains all rights that get transferred to a successor company that just sits on them, that isn't encouraging the creation of new works. It's forcing the actual creators to go find new jobs, where they are legally forbidden from continuing their previous work. It might be appropriate to allow some rights to escheat back to the creators, with the successor corporation getting something more like an automatic license.

Imagine if someone like Disney lost the right to draw Oswald the Lucky Rabbit to Universal Studios, who poached all his animators out from beneath him except Iwerks. They'd have to start all over with a completely new character that no one knew about, and directly compete against their own previous work, that would then be out of their control. And then they'd have to see Oswald pulled away from even those poached animators, by corporate fiat and a poker bet by Lantz, only to be buried shortly thereafter by Woody Woodpecker.

Separating the rights from the creatives entirely seems to have been somewhat unwise, judging by the history. Some rights now are literally too complicated for anyone to unravel, thereby preventing not only derivative works, but even just new copies on the market. How bad would it be, really, to just go to the named author (or their estate) to grant new licenses, instead of trying to chase down a corporate paper trail of transfers and contracts?

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by jerf on Monday May 14, 2018 @02:57PM (#17068372)
I don't think the law has any place adjudicating canonicity, so I just plain don't consider it a problem. And to the extent that it does, trademarks can do the job just fine.

"It would be like Tim Cain making another Fallout game, even though Bethesda owns the rights to the franchise now."

A very bizarre choice of example, since Fallout is precisely what got made because they couldn't get the rights to make Wasteland 2, so Fallout is already "another Wasteland game"! http://wasteland.rockdud.net/fallout.html

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by logfromblammo on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:27AM (#17074121)
I'm not talking about canonicity, but about the copyrights themselves. Right now, copyrights can be entirely divorced from the creator of the work. But the motivation of a corporation to hire someone to create a work for them and that of a creator to get paid for their work are different enough that we shouldn't be treating corporations the same as people in this instance.

The example was intentional. It's why I also mentioned Wasteland. Obsidian and inXile are very close, and Obsidian did work under contract to inXile for Wasteland 2. Those studios are both filled with ex-Interplay/Black Isle people. They all got fired, and the rights went somewhere else.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by kevinh on Monday May 14, 2018 @11:04AM (#17066137)
People are still making well-regarded Sherlock Holmes stories.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by rangibaby on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:25AM (#17064816)
I don’t think so. Someone would make a better one and the original would eventually fade into obscurity (cf. the original fairytales that were made into Disney movies)
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by rdlecler1 on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:56AM (#17065020)
Who is going to make a better one if no studio can accumulate enough capital to make large big-budget bets? Last I checked, very few small budget studios can make big blockbuster movies. The reason Disney can is because they have accumulated capital with their IP and are backed by investors who recognize the value of that IP.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by oblio on Monday May 14, 2018 @11:39AM (#17066395)
So you're saying that in a free market no one could get the capital without the IP? I'm sorry, but I feel that's ridiculous. They could still have access to popular actors, directors, screenwriters.

Franchises aren't everything. Otherwise the highest grossing movies wouldn't be Avatar and Titanic :)

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by qbrass on Monday May 14, 2018 @12:36PM (#17066893)
Fox didn't gamble $250 million on Avatar or $200 million on Titanic without something else paying the bills.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by wolfgke on Monday May 14, 2018 @06:48AM (#17064338)
> Disney is directly responsible for strongly lobbying to make it last longer.

And the hacker scene is directly respondible for not developing darknet software with which one can circumvent these copyright restrictions.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by vetinari on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:05AM (#17064397)
Just like with DRM, technology is not a solution to a social problem.

Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place, where you will spend several years. To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by wolfgke on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:19AM (#17064467)
> Having a darknet software that circumvents copyright restrictions won't prevent a squad of guys with guns appearing at your doorstep and taking you to a place

That is why I wrote "darknet software". If the software cannot ensure anonymity, you get this kind of problem.

> To prevent that, you need another solution and the answer is not technology or software.

Sure, but until a solution appears, better create technology and software that makes civil disobedience easy.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by vetinari on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:58AM (#17065046)
In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe. That will get you much further (see? the market is not interested at all, why do they need that law?), than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by wolfgke on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:17AM (#17065200)
> In case of movies/tv shows/music/etc, which you do not need to live, much better solution is to ignore the existence of the movies/tv shows/music/etc produced by companies that abuse whatever you believe.

I already do, so to me this is nothing even worth talking about. :-)

The problem rather lies, for example, in the "cultural" references that people use all the time.

> than making them a victim and giving them a reason to push for much more draconian laws.

I tell you: You can do what you want - they will make you a victim in any case.

In this sense I do not just ignore their movies etc., but also ignore their rights to have a right to censor (copyright), too. I am against violence, so I am against copyright, too.

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by macintux on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:59AM (#17065051)
How in the world does media theft help alleviate the concern that Disney owns our culture? Breaking DRM won’t help Warner Brothers create a Mickey Mouse (or any other) universe to compete.
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by phaus on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:18AM (#17064458)
So this group of people is morally obligated to risk prosecution and civil lawsuits to help strangers break laws just because we don't agree with them?
Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by wolfgke on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:23AM (#17064487)
"There is no justice in following unjust laws."

Aaron Swartz (1986-2013)

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by phaus on Monday May 14, 2018 @01:40PM (#17067560)
Exactly how much justice was there in Aaron's not having followed the unjust laws?

He was a kind, brilliant person, barely out of childhood, and his life has come to an end.

I admire what he did and I find the way he was treated criminal and deplorable. However, Its difficult to blame developers for not wanting to go to prison and/or be harassed to death.

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Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by wolfgke on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:15AM (#17064762)
> Go do it yourself

Who says that I do not work on such things already? (just perhaps in a somehwat different way than you might spontanously have in the back of your mind).

Re:Disney, please sell the rights to Monkey Island back to i... by aje403 on Monday May 14, 2018 @08:25AM (#17064817)
I have nothing on my mind in particular, I just like to call out lazy entitled people who think that others should do things they want for them, be it on the internet or in person