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Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by im3w1l on Monday May 14, 2018 @02:21AM (#17063159)
Your proposed system would not be censorship resistant: The central control point could decide (or be forced to) to block MrControversialGuy's from sending and receiving money. This point is not just theorethical, e.g. wikileaks got booted of the normal bank system when they dropped their big leaks, but they could still take bitcoin.
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by mseebach on Monday May 14, 2018 @02:50AM (#17063304)
The same is true for a blockchain where the same organisation controls all the nodes, which is the scenario at hand.
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by polyomino on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:44AM (#17065427)
If they know which addresses belong to Wikileaks
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by mseebach on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:51AM (#17065483)
That's a feature of anonymity, not the blockchain.
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by wpietri on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:32AM (#17073758)
But that's not a bad thing from the perspective of most of these "OMG blockchain" uses that are internal or with a controlled set of partners. In practice, very few people want to be forced to do business with somebody they later decide they don't want to do business with.

Even if they did want that for some reason, most countries have anti money-laundering laws where you have to be able to stop doing business with certain parties.

Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by Scarblac on Monday May 14, 2018 @03:58AM (#17063659)
Wikileaks was never "booted off the normal bank system", only a few US banks (BoA, VISA, MasterCard, PayPal, Western Union) refused to send money to them. Bank transfers from anywhere else always worked fine.
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by slfnflctd on Monday May 14, 2018 @07:36AM (#17064570)
When 90%+ of your income is routed through VISA, MasterCard and PayPal, getting booted off those is a sufficiently fatal blow. I don't know (or care) if this was the case with Wikileaks, but if it happens to your retail business you are toast.

These private institutions have way too much arbitrary power to decide the fates of others with opaque & inconsistent reasoning-- I see nearly anything providing a check against that power as useful. I'm no longer convinced blockchain tech is a viable answer, but I do think having a variety of non-consolidated payment processors to choose from is a good thing.

Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by root_axis on Monday May 14, 2018 @09:43AM (#17065417)
The bottom line is that this isn't a real problem for legitimate businesses. If you're a business owner who's been shut out of the western banking system then your business is DOA whether or not the business accepts bitcoin. Yes, bitcoin is great if you're a rogue political organization like wikileaks, but this is a very uncommon scenario.
Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by slfnflctd on Monday May 14, 2018 @01:24PM (#17067374)
There have been numerous, widely varied reports of legitimate businesses having their funds completely frozen for an unspecified amount of time - often long enough to sink a fledgling startup - simply because they were new and "made too much money too fast".

Payment processors have also been known to discriminate against perfectly legal businesses for a long list of random things some old jackass in a suit decided were too 'unsavory'.

I think these organizations are wrong to meddle so much rather than being passive facilitators as originally envisioned. They have a right to exclude things which put their assets at risk, as well as a legal obligation to assist law enforcement where appropriate, but beyond that neutrality and privacy should be the rule.

Re:Rhetoric around the blockchain hints at problems with tec... by vkou on Monday May 14, 2018 @02:11PM (#17067918)
> Payment processors have also been known to discriminate against perfectly legal businesses for a long list of random things some old jackass in a suit decided were too 'unsavory'.

Typically, it's because of fraud, not unsavory-ness. Fraud on the customer's side, not the business'.

The solution to that is not making every transaction put the weight of fraud solely on the customer.