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Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by danielvf on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:07PM (#17044717)
From memory (I’ll try to dig up the report) the officer on deck:

- Was going too fast for the number of ships in the area

- Did not call the captain when nearish other ships as procedure required.

- Had in fact gotten too close to several other ships that night.

- Gotten confused between which of two ships was where

- Did the calculations wrong on the closest approach of the collision vessel

- Denied a request to change course away from the collision vessel because then she would have to recalculate a new nearest approach distance

- When a collision was clearly in the future, did not contact the other vessel in any way

- Gave a late turn order, but then immediately countermanded it, keeping the ship on collision course

- spent the rest of the time until the collision freaking out (an enlisted man eventually gave the final turn order that saved some lives)

So it was about as bad as could be, and seven men died.

However, I have a feeling the Captain's court martial is going to turn out worse for him than this.

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by hudibras on Friday May 11, 2018 @02:52AM (#17045422)
>- Gave a late turn order, but then immediately countermanded it, keeping the ship on collision course.

This is the part that everybody shakes their heads over. In that situation, with that geometry between the ships, it's ingrained and almost automatic for the OOD to go right full rudder and all back full: turning the ship astern of the other ship and coming to a complete stop as soon as possible. At that range (2000-3000 yards), there's no way a collision would have happened.

But the OOD actually did the exact opposite: increase speed and turn to the left, which will almost certainly result in a collision, especially if the other ship maneuvers the way it's supposed to. Just thinking about giving those orders in that situation is giving me the shivers...

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Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by sctb on Friday May 11, 2018 @02:31PM (#17049722)
This is really intellectually lame and super inflammatory. Posting like this will get your account hastily banned, so please don't ever do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by jonnybgood on Friday May 11, 2018 @05:48AM (#17046019)
What are you implying by posting that?
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by ryanwaggoner on Friday May 11, 2018 @06:52AM (#17046241)
I think it's pretty obvious what they're implying. Problem is, it's just a lazy argument. From the article:

When tested on mental rotation tasks, men averaged 66 percent correct compared to 53 percent correct for women.

So the average man may be better than the average woman at these tasks, but it's not a dramatic difference to my mind, and individual women can certainly be excellent at this kind of spatial reasoning, just like individual men can be terrible at it.

Not surprisingly, the Navy actually tests people for these skills and gives them extensive initial and ongoing training. If you can't do this job because your brain doesn't work that way, regardless of gender, it's rather unlikely that you'll have the job in the long run.

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by ComradeTaco on Thursday May 10, 2018 @11:23PM (#17044762)
I'm curious what hour of her day the deck officer was on and how many hours of sleep she had the night previous. At some point, sleep deprivation can leave you essentially non-functional.
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by chx on Friday May 11, 2018 @03:44AM (#17045602)
According to official report https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4165320/USS-Fitzg... it played a part for sure:

8.4 Fatigue

The command leadership allowed the schedule of events preceding the collision to fatigue the crew.

The command leadership failed to assess the risks of fatigue and implement mitigation measures to ensure adequate crew rest.

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by dTal on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:48AM (#17046896)
Here is a very scathing and informative commentary on the Navy's "risk assessment" and "mitigation" procedures:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15120369

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by chx on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:46PM (#17052228)
There obviously is something very wrong with the entire system when this happens twice within a short timeframe.
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by danielvf on Friday May 11, 2018 @08:14AM (#17046661)
Started her day on ship at or before 6:00am and had been working for nineteen and half hours at the time of the collision. That's one of many, many reasons the captain is going to be deep trouble.
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by eigenvector on Friday May 11, 2018 @12:08AM (#17044911)
Your summary is pretty good. Here's the full report (PDF): http://s3.amazonaws.com/CHINFO/USS+Fitzgerald+and+USS+John+S...
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by porker on Friday May 11, 2018 @03:57AM (#17045648)
It reads like an episode of the Navy Lark [1]. Except that in this case people died.

Never thought I'd see reality approach fiction, when a navy is involved. Everybody down!

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Navy_Lark

Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by noir_lord on Friday May 11, 2018 @05:35AM (#17045960)
I just got into that show and yes it does, they generally come to full stop by ramming something that won't move.
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by valuearb on Friday May 11, 2018 @01:32AM (#17045160)
i’ve read that the Navy has cut huge corners on training in recent years, this summary sounds like a complete indictment of that.
Re:Fitzgerald Officer of the Deck Pleads Guilty at Court-Mar... by linuxftw on Friday May 11, 2018 @10:53AM (#17047691)
They replaced much of the actual 'naval' and occupation training with 'pretend we're the Marines' type of training.